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Posted on 11/10/18 at 9:42 pm to Drydock
Posted on 11/10/18 at 9:42 pm to Drydock
The play to the middle of the field, Lock threw the ball away from the defender when he should have thrown it over his helmet. The DB had no idea where the ball was and couldn't have made a play on it.
The play where Hall slowed down and went out of bounds was on both of them IMO. Lock put way too much air on the throw when a knife shot would have been a TD. Hall has to be aware of his field position as well.
Lock's throw to Gicinto on the 99 yd drive was money.
The play where Hall slowed down and went out of bounds was on both of them IMO. Lock put way too much air on the throw when a knife shot would have been a TD. Hall has to be aware of his field position as well.
Lock's throw to Gicinto on the 99 yd drive was money.
This post was edited on 11/10/18 at 9:45 pm
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Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:09 pm to navynuke
That’s too bad. Good play by a DE is the difference between this defense being an average defense and a good defense.
Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:24 pm to the808bass
I don’t get the Walters hate. Last season Mizzou was 90th according to S&P+ in total defense. This season they were 41st going into today’s game.
It’s still not a good defense and won’t be until they get better talent or more experienced at key positions.
It’s still not a good defense and won’t be until they get better talent or more experienced at key positions.
Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:26 pm to wubilli
We are 3000th in passing defense.
He’s in charge of the secondary.
It’s not some enigma wrapped in a riddle.
He’s in charge of the secondary.
It’s not some enigma wrapped in a riddle.
Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:34 pm to wubilli
I don't think he has the chops to be a P5 coordinator. The only All Conference player he had coached was Penton who was a Sr when he joined the staff.
Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:41 pm to the808bass
I think he’s better than most here are giving credit. And will be even better as the staff stacks some recruiting classes together.
In the past if a freshman or sophomore was playing a lot at Mizzou it meant that guy was really good and had all conference potential.
Because of the attrition from the 13-15 recruiting classes Mizzou has had way too many underclassmen playing on defense.
In the past if a freshman or sophomore was playing a lot at Mizzou it meant that guy was really good and had all conference potential.
Because of the attrition from the 13-15 recruiting classes Mizzou has had way too many underclassmen playing on defense.
Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:52 pm to navynuke
If the number of all conference players a guy has coached qualified a guy to be a coordinator, Kul would be a DC somewhere.
Walters isn’t a super proven coach just yet. But the defense as a whole is better than last season, despite being really young. Find a way to get a pass rush and I think the defense can be better next season.
Walters isn’t a super proven coach just yet. But the defense as a whole is better than last season, despite being really young. Find a way to get a pass rush and I think the defense can be better next season.
Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:55 pm to wubilli
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I think he’s better than most here are giving credit. And will be even better as the staff stacks some recruiting classes together.
Tough to get away from raw numbers.
We give up 280 ypg passing.
That’s 119th out of 129 teams.
We’ve had 5 INTs. That’s tied for 95th.
We’re 118th in Red Zone defense, giving up scores 91% of the time.
This post was edited on 11/10/18 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 11/10/18 at 11:05 pm to the808bass
25th against the run, giving up 3.6 yards per run.
The defense still isn’t good but is better than last season. It’s improved to an average defense.
The defense still isn’t good but is better than last season. It’s improved to an average defense.
Posted on 11/10/18 at 11:07 pm to wubilli
The defense is better overall because the front 7 can control the line of scrimmage.
The back end of the defense isn't well coached.
The back end of the defense isn't well coached.
This post was edited on 11/10/18 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 11/10/18 at 11:11 pm to navynuke
Is that coaching? Talent? Experience? Or a combination?
During the 10 year run where Pinkel had Mizzou as a top 20 program, I would bet that most of Acy, Sparks, Bledsoe, Gillespie would have redshirted and been special teams players at this stage of their college careers.
During the 10 year run where Pinkel had Mizzou as a top 20 program, I would bet that most of Acy, Sparks, Bledsoe, Gillespie would have redshirted and been special teams players at this stage of their college careers.
Posted on 11/10/18 at 11:39 pm to wubilli
Penton, Gaines, Ponder, Webb, Simon, Kenji Jackson, Kip Edwards, and Robert Steeples got significant reps as sophomores. Hell, Matt White had 40 tackles as a Sophomore.
Being in the right spot doesn't require elite measurables. None of the guys above had them. Walters is a liability.
Being in the right spot doesn't require elite measurables. None of the guys above had them. Walters is a liability.
Posted on 11/10/18 at 11:47 pm to navynuke
Yep when Pinkel had Mizzou playing well sophomores did get into the rotation or start at times. But they started because they were really good and had beat out solid 4th or 5th year players. Not because they are the only options.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 12:17 am to wubilli
So if we get better players, we’ll get better.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 12:47 am to the808bass
I love how Mizzoufan26/TennesseeFan25/muinsandiegp is nowhere to be found when the team wins. But when the team loses they are always the first to pile on.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 7:49 am to surgicalvenom
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I'm a fan, and a supporter of the program, and I'm sick and tired of your "Mizzou Fans Suck" routine. I disagree with "fire Bo" crowd (though I wish he would show Walters the door), but I get their frustration. This should have been a hell of a year, and BO didn't have the coaching chops to make it happen. It will be a good year for sure, but he let a few get away.
It takes alot of love for the program to spend your money and time to attend a game. So just because they don't share your undying devotion to BO, doesn't mean "Mizzou Fans Suck." It means we're devoted fans with differing opinions. And if that isn't acceptable to you then "You Suck."
Yep. His sanctimonious abuse of our fan base gets really, really old.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 7:56 am to Mizz-SEC
JQ is the almighty arbiter of telling us who sucks and who doesn’t. Why haven’t you figured that out yet? 
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:09 am to the808bass
Better players doesn’t necessarily mean different players. There are players at both DB and DE that I think have the measurables to be really good. They are just being forced to play too early because there are almost no 4th or 5th year players at their positions.
For example if Mizzou didn’t have to dismiss Brady, Howard and Prewett I believe the pass defense would be much better.
For example if Mizzou didn’t have to dismiss Brady, Howard and Prewett I believe the pass defense would be much better.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 10:08 am to Mizz-SEC
It’s almost as old as the continuous bashing of the entire program
Posted on 11/11/18 at 10:46 am to wubilli
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But they started because they were really good and had beat out solid 4th or 5th year players. Not because they are the only options.
Feel free to name the solid 4th and 5th year players Matt White beat out for reps. I'll save you the time, there weren't any. After Moore and Terrell graduated and Hardy Ricks got hurt, they scrambled to get a decent two deep at safety. In 2009 it was Harrison, Simmons, Jackson and Gooden. In 2010 it was Harrison, Simmons, Jackson and White. In 2011 it was Jackson, White, Walker and Webb.
I could go on but there is no need. The back end of the defense has as much or more athleticism as any defense MU has had and enough upperclassmen that should know how to be in the right spots. One guy is coaching all of them.
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