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Honestly, if Mizzou hires Odom it will be an abortion of a decision
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:03 am
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:03 am
I think we're drunk with Odom Goggles. Rhule is by FAR the best available option.
He has proven head coaching experience. He's clearly a winner. He may win his conference this weekend...a very tough conference that includes the top two coaching candidates in the country - Fuente and Herman - both of which Rhule may beat this year. He can recruit. He has NFL experience. He turned Temple from a dumpster fire to legit force in 3 years.
What has Odom done? He coached a top 25 and top 10 defense the last two years. While that's impressive, we have no idea what he can or can't do as a head coach. A head coaching position is much more complicated than a coordinator position.
Therefore, isn't it reasonable to assume that if we hire Odom instead of someone like Rhule or Herman that we would have made the worst hire? Hell, we can argue that Campbell would be a better hire than Odom at this point in time.
If Rhule came to Mizzou and somehow retained Kul, that would be all we need to be successful in the East.
Odom needs to leave to gain HC experience at a school in the AAC. He's not ready...yet.
He has proven head coaching experience. He's clearly a winner. He may win his conference this weekend...a very tough conference that includes the top two coaching candidates in the country - Fuente and Herman - both of which Rhule may beat this year. He can recruit. He has NFL experience. He turned Temple from a dumpster fire to legit force in 3 years.
What has Odom done? He coached a top 25 and top 10 defense the last two years. While that's impressive, we have no idea what he can or can't do as a head coach. A head coaching position is much more complicated than a coordinator position.
Therefore, isn't it reasonable to assume that if we hire Odom instead of someone like Rhule or Herman that we would have made the worst hire? Hell, we can argue that Campbell would be a better hire than Odom at this point in time.
If Rhule came to Mizzou and somehow retained Kul, that would be all we need to be successful in the East.
Odom needs to leave to gain HC experience at a school in the AAC. He's not ready...yet.
This post was edited on 11/30/15 at 9:16 am
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Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:14 am to mizzoukills
Disagree.
Nobody has experience until they get it. Odom has gotten great results with every oppurtunity given to him. His players love him and he has an immense amount of repect within the coaching community. I have full confidence that he'll do the same when he is announced as our next HC.
I'm fully behind it.
Nobody has experience until they get it. Odom has gotten great results with every oppurtunity given to him. His players love him and he has an immense amount of repect within the coaching community. I have full confidence that he'll do the same when he is announced as our next HC.
I'm fully behind it.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:16 am to mizzoukills
Rhule is only the best option because he's the only other name that's been leaked.
Giant Douche/shite Sandwich situation. This isn't a multiple choice quiz, literally every head coach or coordinator on the planet (minus a few) is an option. Rhule just doesn't have the experience.
The only reason anyone here knows anything about him is because his agent leaked his name to the press hoping it will drive up offers from schools he will wind up at, like Maryland and Syracuse.
Giant Douche/shite Sandwich situation. This isn't a multiple choice quiz, literally every head coach or coordinator on the planet (minus a few) is an option. Rhule just doesn't have the experience.
The only reason anyone here knows anything about him is because his agent leaked his name to the press hoping it will drive up offers from schools he will wind up at, like Maryland and Syracuse.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:18 am to JesusQuintana
You assume unnecessary risk by hiring anybody without HC experience. Mizzou does not have to expose itself to this risk. The SEC is not a "coach in training" conference and neither is Mizzou.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:20 am to JesusQuintana
Jesus, I like Odom but I completely disagree with you. Odom needs head coaching experience before Mizzou even considers hiring him.
Mizzou will take a step backwards if we hire a D Coordinator with zero head coaching experience. Then, we'll watch other smarter programs start to experience incredible success with the proven head coaches they hired.
...and it'll suck because we'll look back at someone like Rhule and view him as the one that got away, sort of like how we view Mark Richt or Bill Self (from a basketball perspective)
Mizzou will take a step backwards if we hire a D Coordinator with zero head coaching experience. Then, we'll watch other smarter programs start to experience incredible success with the proven head coaches they hired.
...and it'll suck because we'll look back at someone like Rhule and view him as the one that got away, sort of like how we view Mark Richt or Bill Self (from a basketball perspective)
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:21 am to Mizzou Mule
The SEC is not a coach in training conference, no.
However, if its so different, wouldn't you rather have someone that's at least being coordinator or higher in a P5 conference?
Maybe I'm being dismissive of other places, but experience at an AAC or MAC school doesn't impress me.
For the record, I'm also not an Odom fan. Needs more coordinator/HC experience with big time schools. Just bad timing.
However, if its so different, wouldn't you rather have someone that's at least being coordinator or higher in a P5 conference?
Maybe I'm being dismissive of other places, but experience at an AAC or MAC school doesn't impress me.
For the record, I'm also not an Odom fan. Needs more coordinator/HC experience with big time schools. Just bad timing.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:24 am to mizzoukills
Honestly, coaches like Fuente, Herman, and Rhule are the future P5 success stories.
Question is: Are we certain Odom should be mentioned in the same sentence as them? If we pass on Odom, will he be the one that got away or will it be Rhule or Herman?
No one knows the answer, but I suspect Rhule is the better candidate because he can prove (at this time) that he is indeed the better candidate.
Question is: Are we certain Odom should be mentioned in the same sentence as them? If we pass on Odom, will he be the one that got away or will it be Rhule or Herman?
No one knows the answer, but I suspect Rhule is the better candidate because he can prove (at this time) that he is indeed the better candidate.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:24 am to Mizzeaux
Mizzeaux
What about Fedora?
What about Fedora?
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:26 am to Mizzou Mule
ANY hire is a risk.
This experience thing gets way overblown IMO.
If you got it, then you got it. I'm fully convinced he's got it.
This experience thing gets way overblown IMO.
If you got it, then you got it. I'm fully convinced he's got it.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:27 am to mizzoukills
Herman>Fuente>>>>>Rhule.
If I'm the AD, I go after every P5 coordinator with a decent pedigree before I even consider Rhule.
If I'm the AD, I go after every P5 coordinator with a decent pedigree before I even consider Rhule.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:28 am to mizzoukills
We aren't getting Herman so I don't know why you keep mentioning him. Fuente is already gone. He could just as easily flop at VT as succeed
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:28 am to mizzoukills
If I was to make a list, Fedora would likely be near the top.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:30 am to Mizzou Mule
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You assume unnecessary risk by hiring anybody without HC experience. Mizzou does not have to expose itself to this risk. The SEC is not a "coach in training" conference and neither is Mizzou.
Actually 7 of the last 18 new SEC HC hires had never been a HC before.
2 others had only been a HC for a year.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:30 am to Mizzeaux
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Herman>Fuente>>>>>Rhule.
Why do you think that? Rhule destroyed Fuente's Memphis and if he beats Herman this weekend...how can you say Herman>Fuente>>>>>>Rhule?
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:30 am to Mizzeaux
Why would Fedora leave UNC?
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:33 am to JesusQuintana
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We aren't getting Herman so I don't know why you keep mentioning him
I mention him when I talk about Rhule which makes sense because Rhule is playing him this weekend. I mention him because he's technically still available but people think he's either 1) out of reach for Mizzou, or 2) Odom is the better candidate.
However, this thread is really about Rhule versus Odom. When we discuss Rhule, we have to mention Fuente and Herman because Rhule may beat both of them this season...yet Herman, Fuente, and Odom are still considered better coaching candidates than Rhule.
It doesn't make sense.
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Fuente is already gone. He could just as easily flop at VT as succeed
The same can be said of any new hire including Odom. Odom may not experience the same success as head coach that he has as defensive coordinator.
This post was edited on 11/30/15 at 9:35 am
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:33 am to mizzoukills
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Why do you think that? Rhule destroyed Fuente's Memphis and if he beats Herman this weekend...how can you say Herman>Fuente>>>>>>Rhule?
Herman won a national championship last year and is part of Mack Brown and Urban Meyers coaching tree.
I can't even think of who Rhule worked for/was mentored by, I don't pay that much attention to Temple and I'm on my iPad so I don't want to look it up.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:35 am to mizzoukills
I think Rhule is a fine candidate. I wouldn't have any issue with him at all.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:35 am to JesusQuintana
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Why would Fedora leave UNC?
SEC cash and SEC arse.
I'm not sure what the second part means.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:37 am to wubilli
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Actually 7 of the last 18 new SEC HC hires had never been a HC before. 2 other had only been HC for a year
Facts! Logic! How dare you bring them up in here!
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