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re: Have you ever been a Rams fan?
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:31 am to miz_zombie
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:31 am to miz_zombie
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Kronke is moral trash, but there is more to the story.
Yea Kronke is certainly no worse than Bidwell, he wants to make a lot of money and go from being obscenely rich to stupid-retard rich. I honestly don't have a problem with that in and of itself. I DO HAVE A PROBLEM with him not donating much more heavily to the Tigers, him and his kid both, need to shake those billionaire piggy banks much harder, between them and uncle Bill and junior Laurie that family should be like the Nike benefactors that the Oregon ducks have.
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Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:35 am to miz_zombie
I'm a fan when free tickets are handed to me.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:54 am to 5thTiger
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I would hate to see what would happen to the Cards if they were terrible for 5-10 years.
Totally different animal. If the Cards tried to leave, even if they sucked like the Royals did for 25 years, it would be an abomination.
The Blues would cause a stir as well.
The Rams are just meh at this point. I'm not even sure if LA is totally stoked about getting such a vanilla franchise. There's gonna have to be an image overhaul if they do come here.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:01 am to Remote Controlled
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I would hate to see what would happen to the Cards if they were terrible for 5-10 years.
yea apparently he missed the Joe Torre era as well as the end of the Schoendienst/Boyer days.. it hasn't been all sunshine and roses for the Cards.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:04 am to Mizz-SEC
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+1. No fricks given.
Even if we never have the NFL again, we'll have the Greatest Show On Turf years.
The most exciting NFL football ever.
A memory is a memory.
Being left out of the NFL footprint moving forward is an economic issue for an aspiring major city.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:05 am to Remote Controlled
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I'm not even sure if LA is totally stoked about getting such a vanilla franchise.
Winning will cure that.
They'll be one of the better teams in the NFL for years to come.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:22 am to reedus23
As a Chiefs fan I never really warmed to the Rams. It's a sort of 'hope they do well, but if not, oh well' kind of feeling. I have never been to a Rams game and have never had the desire to go. A friend (big Cards fan and Chiefs fan) went once and told me he saw a guy reading a newspaper in the stands. He said the energy is nothing like a game at Arrowhead.
The Rams have always felt like a team that changed cities and might change again. I cannot imagine how it would affect me if the Chiefs moved. I would probably swear off the NFL.
The Rams have always felt like a team that changed cities and might change again. I cannot imagine how it would affect me if the Chiefs moved. I would probably swear off the NFL.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:35 am to Aux Arc
Best thing they(Kronke/owners) could do is find a city or county, say west of Chesterfield and build a stadium on a fan-park area, a nice area where fans can show up early and stay late, like the Braves are trying to do by getting out of downtown. It makes perfect sense, the only reason a sports fan has to show up at a game rather than watch it on tv is because the experience is top notch, nobody wants to go to a game in a ghetto where panhanlding street hoods are constantly trying to sell you knock off sports apparel and other garbage.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:48 am to miz_zombie
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aspiring major city
As much as I hate to say it, because I love STL. It is a city on the decline, and recent events aren't helping the reputation of the city as a whole.
Most people I know assume its a lot like Detroit, and in some ways it is. Small exception being that Detroit can actually keep a shitty football team around.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:51 am to Jagd Tiger
The feeling I'm getting is that people don't care for the Rams in STL, and thus, should not be upset that the team is leaving? Which if that is the case, should have no ill will towards the ownership.
I can't understand the relationship of having a franchise moving to KC because it has not happened while I have been alive. But if the Bucks from the NBA or Penguins from the NHL moved to KC, I would certainly be a fan. The franchise would have history in other places, but I think that I would accept it and move on.
Just a personal sentiment. Not arguing.
I can't understand the relationship of having a franchise moving to KC because it has not happened while I have been alive. But if the Bucks from the NBA or Penguins from the NHL moved to KC, I would certainly be a fan. The franchise would have history in other places, but I think that I would accept it and move on.
Just a personal sentiment. Not arguing.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:57 am to 5thTiger
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The feeling I'm getting is that people don't care for the Rams in STL
I'd say your feeling is mostly correct. However, it's only that way because of the last 10 years. It was headed in the right direction, and a few decent playoff seasons would have gone a long way in keeping the faith.
I've never understood the idea of mindlessly supporting a losing franchise as a fan. If you really like that team, and you want it to succeed, then why would you go to the games. Not showing up is the easiest way to show a franchise you want change.
Mindlessly supporting a team doesn't make someone a better fan.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 12:40 pm to Remote Controlled
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Mindlessly supporting a team doesn't make someone a better fan.
the black and gold painted, goggle wearing fan boys here would disagree...
Posted on 1/8/15 at 12:55 pm to 5thTiger
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Just a personal sentiment. Not arguing.
I think you are about right. The Rams are and will ALWAY'S be a far 2nd choice to the Cardinals in STL, I don't have to live there to know that. Hell they really aren't much more popular than the Blues if even that much.
My response was more to the point of what a business owner should do in regards to an NFL franchise as a business entity. Kronke being the owner in question, and I understand why his "support the team or we're leaving" threats are creating such animosity from the STL crowd, you're talking about a short term team w/ flash in the pan success. That's not what the Cardinals franchise is, in fact it's the exact opposite of that.
He's in no way attempting to endear the Rams to local fan base, and he probably knows he's bluffing to a degree, since the Rams won't have any large immediate support in LA. The left coast really isn't a football mecca or haven, it has pocket franchise support, it's just that the population is so huge those pockets represent a lot of people.
The sports industry is changing, in large part thanks to the change in the media industry. It's becoming a very tough marketplace to develop new "crowd turnout" support, esp in the NFL, I think the days of owners of mid tier or lower franchises holding up the local fan base for the billions to build them a new stadium are going to end, and very soon. I'd imagine someone like Kroenke has some astute business analyst working for him that know this as well, which is why I expect he is a hurry to force a deal one way or the other, the pot isn't going to get any sweeter.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 2:07 pm to reedus23
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Cut the shite.
lol,, hit a nerve huh..
Posted on 1/8/15 at 2:25 pm to miz_zombie
I was at both NFC Championship games.
I am starting to wonder if it really happened.
Deal with the devil indeed. The Cardinals should have never left STL.
I am starting to wonder if it really happened.
Deal with the devil indeed. The Cardinals should have never left STL.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 2:34 pm to Ridgewalker
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The Cardinals should have never left STL.
100$ to the first person to kick Bidwell in the balls..
Posted on 1/8/15 at 5:23 pm to reedus23
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It's a completely corporate and stale environment and always has been. It was like that even in the days of tGSOT. They were much more fun to watch on TV in those days than to actually go to a game.
Started with PSL's. On average, you're not going to get the blue collar fan to pay for PSL's. Follow it up with a stadium that is not conducive to tailgating in any fashion. Then get inside the stadium and it is all stale and boring with more interest in selling ad space than providing fan entertainment.
I have always called them the anti-Chiefs when it comes to fan support and fan experience.
Spot on.
They're attitude from the beginning has been "Here we are you lucky bastards!! Come support us.", with no real interaction with the community. And what little civic things they've done have never felt genuine. An aloofness to the whole Rams front office.
The Blues and Cardinals have been MILES ahead in courting fan support and charity type work.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 5:34 pm to 5thTiger
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The feeling I'm getting is that people don't care for the Rams in STL, and thus, should not be upset that the team is leaving? Which if that is the case, should have no ill will towards the ownership.
I can't understand the relationship of having a franchise moving to KC because it has not happened while I have been alive. But if the Bucks from the NBA or Penguins from the NHL moved to KC, I would certainly be a fan. The franchise would have history in other places, but I think that I would accept it and move on.
Just a personal sentiment. Not arguing.
No offense, but you have no clue on this.
All St. Louis fans have ever wanted out of the Rams was some love out of the ownership. "Let's do this together". We never got it out of Bill Bidwill and we never got it out of Stan Kroenke and the Rams. It's always been a gun to the head.
How would you feel if when KC built (or even renovated) Arrowhead, the ownership gave no hint of wanting to be a willing partner in making the community and area better? That's been the history of pro football in St. Louis.
You should say a prayer of thanks every night that Lamar Hunt was pro-Kansas City. St. Louis would have built him a statue here.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 5:50 pm to Mizz-SEC
Sorry was provoked man 
Posted on 1/8/15 at 6:27 pm to Remote Controlled
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As much as I hate to say it, because I love STL. It is a city on the decline, and recent events aren't helping the reputation of the city as a whole.
Most people I know assume its a lot like Detroit, and in some ways it is. Small exception being that Detroit can actually keep a shitty football team around.
It is and it isn't (in the decline).
Ultimately this entire country is in the decline, it's just more visible in certain areas.
More cool breweries are popping up everyday.
More cool restaurants.
Lots of areas are flourishing.
The Grove is renovating itself, lots of new development.
Your old spot, Cottleville is thriving.
Clayton is Clayton.
Central West End is popping.
Could go on.
The area isn't quite on the decline like some like to say.
Detroit is worse than St. Louis, plus it's in the rust belt, they just have a crazy owner willing to spend.
And St. Louis has nothing to do with the team leaving. The fans support is decent enough that a move isn't warranted, it's all about a stadium and an owner who wants to tap into the LA market.
This post was edited on 1/8/15 at 7:22 pm
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