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re: Fuller Rumors: NCAA Charges Coming
Posted on 1/5/15 at 11:18 am to reedus23
Posted on 1/5/15 at 11:18 am to reedus23
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Gant? Dunno. Would like to think with the commitment his family made, he's staying,
I'd like to think that. But how much do we actually know about that whole situation at this particular point in time? We might be assuming a bit too much there.
Namon was recruited by the third assistant for Haith who was only here one year, he was in and out so fast I don't even remember his name. Think he came from Drake. He and Haith recruited Namon, but Fuller did the job of trying to maintain contact with him until KA was hired, and for awhile there Fuller was the only person KA had on staff at first. I'm pretty sure it was KA and Fuller who flew out to LA together to try to reel Namon back in.
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 11:27 am to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Dave Leitao. He left and I remember Namon talking about his relationship to Leitao.
No question Fuller helped hold down the fort and probably had something to do with keeping everything calm until and after KA was hired. For whatever reason, I don't think that that would create the kind of relationship that Wright would leave just because Fuller leaves. If Wright leaves, it's because there are other factors at play as well IMO.
I guess what I'm saying is I don't understand the storm that is on TB and apparently PM. If Fuller leaves, it will be another hurdle to deal with but it's not like we didn't know he wouldn't leave some day anyways.
Just off the top of my head, it seems that most of the recruits we're still looking at are Fulford kids as well. Kapita. Bryant. Lyles. Heck, even saw a new name of a JUCO SG Mychal something who's originally from Canada so I'm betting that's a Fulford kid as well.
No question Fuller helped hold down the fort and probably had something to do with keeping everything calm until and after KA was hired. For whatever reason, I don't think that that would create the kind of relationship that Wright would leave just because Fuller leaves. If Wright leaves, it's because there are other factors at play as well IMO.
I guess what I'm saying is I don't understand the storm that is on TB and apparently PM. If Fuller leaves, it will be another hurdle to deal with but it's not like we didn't know he wouldn't leave some day anyways.
Just off the top of my head, it seems that most of the recruits we're still looking at are Fulford kids as well. Kapita. Bryant. Lyles. Heck, even saw a new name of a JUCO SG Mychal something who's originally from Canada so I'm betting that's a Fulford kid as well.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 11:31 am to the808bass
Also 808 one other thing that occurs to me is that it could be depending on who exactly within the athletic department or university in general one were to ask, the reasons for things happening given might differ. For instance one side of the food chain might be saying "oh we have concerns about NCAA charges coming" and that is why certain actions might be taken which could result in what you heard, while another side might say "hey Fuller is being forced out, this is purely Mizzou doing this not the NCAA" in order to cast Fuller or some other person in a better light.
Point being even the stuff that we feel confident is coming from "inside Mizzou" may not all be the same message in a situation like this where different parties need to protect their own interests.
Point being even the stuff that we feel confident is coming from "inside Mizzou" may not all be the same message in a situation like this where different parties need to protect their own interests.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 11:39 am to reedus23
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I guess what I'm saying is I don't understand the storm that is on TB and apparently PM. If Fuller leaves, it will be another hurdle to deal with but it's not like we didn't know he wouldn't leave some day anyways.
The program can certainly live without Fuller. And although I like individual guys like Namon's potential, losing a player or two to transfer is not the end of the world.
The scenario that holds my interest is to what extent a large exodus of multiple players, be it Gant, J3, Namon, or even others, might be a threat at the moment. I'd rather not have this become a wasted year in the program's redevelopment because of such a thing. That's why I at least keep trying to sift through what is or might be known. Yes we will know at years end one way or the other who stays or doesn't. But I'm a hoops junkie who likes to get his fix or else I get the shakes.
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 11:58 am to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
I hear ya. And you have a rational head on your shoulders. Some of the stuff I started to read was lunacy.
Frankly, I don't think there's any kind of mass exodus. I also don't believe Fuller is being forced out. Don't think that is in KA's nature unless something else happened. If anything, I imagine KA feels a debt of gratitude toward Fuller and disagreements over who should be playing how much wouldn't change that.
As is usually the case, things are never as bad as they seem nor as good as they seem.
So if you said there was a core you'd like to make sure stays, who would that be? And conversely, if someone is dead set on leaving, which do you think would impact the team the least by leaving?
Posted on 1/5/15 at 12:06 pm to reedus23
For myself, most important to keep:
J3 - And he's not going anywhere regardless of Fuller. He's 2 years in and this is HIS team. Not much game with back to the basket, but he can beat bigs off the dribble.
Teki - He's a Fulford kid and won't leave until the NBA calls, which is not this year. May turn out to be the player with the best all around game on the team.
Wright - Not a Fuller kid. Not going anywhere and I think he's our best outside threat currently.
Gant - This one would concern me most of the group as far as leaving. But I like his athleticism and while he doesn't need to be shooting 3's, he really has shown a nice shot on the base line out to about 12-15 feet.
As far as those whose leaving would impact us the least or we could absorb it the most:
Bello/Rosburg - Obvious answers.
Isabel - I know others are higher on him than me, and I like him, but he doesn't seem to be a pure PG and seems to force up a lot.
Clark - Pretty much the same as Isabel. Would hate to lose both, but losing one or the other wouldn't hamper the team much.
Allen I put somewhere in the middle. But he seems to be thriving under KA so I don't see him going anywhere either.
J3 - And he's not going anywhere regardless of Fuller. He's 2 years in and this is HIS team. Not much game with back to the basket, but he can beat bigs off the dribble.
Teki - He's a Fulford kid and won't leave until the NBA calls, which is not this year. May turn out to be the player with the best all around game on the team.
Wright - Not a Fuller kid. Not going anywhere and I think he's our best outside threat currently.
Gant - This one would concern me most of the group as far as leaving. But I like his athleticism and while he doesn't need to be shooting 3's, he really has shown a nice shot on the base line out to about 12-15 feet.
As far as those whose leaving would impact us the least or we could absorb it the most:
Bello/Rosburg - Obvious answers.
Isabel - I know others are higher on him than me, and I like him, but he doesn't seem to be a pure PG and seems to force up a lot.
Clark - Pretty much the same as Isabel. Would hate to lose both, but losing one or the other wouldn't hamper the team much.
Allen I put somewhere in the middle. But he seems to be thriving under KA so I don't see him going anywhere either.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 1:19 pm to reedus23
Why would any of the freshman leave? All of them are getting plenty of playing time.
J3-not leaving. period.
Rosburg-Cmon, we all know better
Allen/Isabell- KA got these guys to commit, so I sincerely doubt it.
Teki-Until the NBA, I seriously doubt it.
Gant- Parents move in, pretty sure they are here for the long haul.
Wright-I don't see him as very upset. I think he enjoys this team.
Clark-This was my ? early in the year, even got dropped from the starting lineup. If anyone with real PT were to leave, it would be him.
Bello- I expect a transfer. Not playing, could get a graduate release. Would open up another scholarship too.
J3-not leaving. period.
Rosburg-Cmon, we all know better
Allen/Isabell- KA got these guys to commit, so I sincerely doubt it.
Teki-Until the NBA, I seriously doubt it.
Gant- Parents move in, pretty sure they are here for the long haul.
Wright-I don't see him as very upset. I think he enjoys this team.
Clark-This was my ? early in the year, even got dropped from the starting lineup. If anyone with real PT were to leave, it would be him.
Bello- I expect a transfer. Not playing, could get a graduate release. Would open up another scholarship too.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 6:12 pm to 5thTiger
The team the people that play on the court that dress in black and gold shorts and jersey shirts and shoes of their choice that match the uniforms will likely in my opinion I believe have a better finish to the season than the way the season started making for a happier mood and better times and good vibes for the entire program of people that dress in black and gold shorts with matching jersey shirts and shoes and there will probably be less chaos and turmoil and stuff at the end of the season and everyone will be happy and stay in columbia for the Mizzou team that dresses in black and gold shorts with matching jerseys and shoes. For most its not worth sitting out a year and not playing for a full 12 months and not getting to play for that long for them to transfer.
-Zombie In DA Lou.
-Zombie In DA Lou.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 7:57 pm to miz_zombie
"Well, Prince, so Genoa and Lucca are now just family estates of the Buonapartes. But I warn you, if you don't tell me that this means war, if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist- I really believe he is Antichrist- I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend, no longer my 'faithful slave,' as you call yourself! But how do you do? I see I have frightened you- sit down and tell me all the news."
It was in July, 1805, and the speaker was the well-known Anna Pavlovna Scherer, maid of honor and favorite of the Empress Marya Fedorovna. With these words she greeted Prince Vasili Kuragin, a man of high rank and importance, who was the first to arrive at her reception. Anna Pavlovna had had a cough for some days. She was, as she said, suffering from la grippe; grippe being then a new word in St. Petersburg, used only by the elite.
All her invitations without exception, written in French, and delivered by a scarlet-liveried footman that morning, ran as follows:
"If you have nothing better to do, Count [or Prince], and if the prospect of spending an evening with a poor invalid is not too terrible, I shall be very charmed to see you tonight between 7 and 10- Annette Scherer."
"Heavens! what a virulent attack!" replied the prince, not in the least disconcerted by this reception. He had just entered, wearing an embroidered court uniform, knee breeches, and shoes, and had stars on his breast and a serene expression on his flat face. He spoke in that refined French in which our grandfathers not only spoke but thought, and with the gentle, patronizing intonation natural to a man of importance who had grown old in society and at court. He went up to Anna Pavlovna, kissed her hand, presenting to her his bald, scented, and shining head, and complacently seated himself on the sofa.
"First of all, dear friend, tell me how you are. Set your friend's mind at rest," said he without altering his tone, beneath the politeness and affected sympathy of which indifference and even irony could be discerned.
"Can one be well while suffering morally? Can one be calm in times like these if one has any feeling?" said Anna Pavlovna. "You are staying the whole evening, I hope?"
"And the fete at the English ambassador's? Today is Wednesday. I must put in an appearance there," said the prince. "My daughter is coming for me to take me there."
"I thought today's fete had been canceled. I confess all these festivities and fireworks are becoming wearisome."
"If they had known that you wished it, the entertainment would have been put off," said the prince, who, like a wound-up clock, by force of habit said things he did not even wish to be believed.
"Don't tease! Well, and what has been decided about Novosiltsev's dispatch? You know everything."
"What can one say about it?" replied the prince in a cold, listless tone. "What has been decided? They have decided that Buonaparte has burnt his boats, and I believe that we are ready to burn ours."
Prince Vasili always spoke languidly, like an actor repeating a stale part. Anna Pavlovna Scherer on the contrary, despite her forty years, overflowed with animation and impulsiveness. To be an enthusiast had become her social vocation and, sometimes even when she did not feel like it, she became enthusiastic in order not to disappoint the expectations of those who knew her. The subdued smile which, though it did not suit her faded features, always played round her lips expressed, as in a spoiled child, a continual consciousness of her charming defect, which she neither wished, nor could, nor considered it necessary, to correct.
In the midst of a conversation on political matters Anna Pavlovna burst out:
"Oh, don't speak to me of Austria. Perhaps I don't understand things, but Austria never has wished, and does not wish, for war. She is betraying us! Russia alone must save Europe. Our gracious sovereign recognizes his high vocation and will be true to it. That is the one thing I have faith in! Our good and wonderful sovereign has to perform the noblest role on earth, and he is so virtuous and noble that God will not forsake him. He will fulfill his vocation and crush the hydra of revolution, which has become more terrible than ever in the person of this murderer and villain! We alone must avenge the blood of the just one.... Whom, I ask you, can we rely on?... England with her commercial spirit will not and cannot understand the Emperor Alexander's loftiness of soul. She has refused to evacuate Malta. She wanted to find, and still seeks, some secret motive in our actions. What answer did Novosiltsev get? None. The English have not understood and cannot understand the self-abnegation of our Emperor who wants nothing for himself, but only desires the good of mankind. And what have they promised? Nothing! And what little they have promised they will not perform! Prussia has always declared that Buonaparte is invincible, and that all Europe is powerless before him.... And I don't believe a word that Hardenburg says, or Haugwitz either. This famous Prussian neutrality is just a trap. I have faith only in God and the lofty destiny of our adored monarch. He will save Europe!"
She suddenly paused, smiling at her own impetuosity.
"I think," said the prince with a smile, "that if you had been sent instead of our dear Wintzingerode you would have captured the King of Prussia's consent by assault. You are so eloquent. Will you give me a cup of tea?"
"In a moment. A propos," she added, becoming calm again, "I am expecting two very interesting men tonight, le Vicomte de Mortemart, who is connected with the Montmorencys through the Rohans, one of the best French families. He is one of the genuine emigres, the good ones. And also the Abbe Morio. Do you know that profound thinker? He has been received by the Emperor. Had you heard?"
"I shall be delighted to meet them," said the prince. "But tell me," he added with studied carelessness as if it had only just occurred to him, though the question he was about to ask was the chief motive of his visit, "is it true that the Dowager Empress wants Baron Funke to be appointed first secretary at Vienna? The baron by all accounts is a poor creature."
Prince Vasili wished to obtain this post for his son, but others were trying through the Dowager Empress Marya Fedorovna to secure it for the baron.
Anna Pavlovna almost closed her eyes to indicate that neither she nor anyone else had a right to criticize what the Empress desired or was pleased with.
"Baron Funke has been recommended to the Dowager Empress by her sister," was all she said, in a dry and mournful tone.
As she named the Empress, Anna Pavlovna's face suddenly assumed an expression of profound and sincere devotion and respect mingled with sadness, and this occurred every time she mentioned her illustrious patroness. She added that Her Majesty had deigned to show Baron Funke beaucoup d'estime, and again her face clouded over with sadness.
The prince was silent and looked indifferent. But, with the womanly and courtierlike quickness and tact habitual to her, Anna Pavlovna wished both to rebuke him (for daring to speak he had done of a man recommended to the Empress) and at the same time to console him, so she said:
"Now about your family. Do you know that since your daughter came out everyone has been enraptured by her? They say she is amazingly beautiful."
The prince bowed to signify his respect and gratitude.
It was in July, 1805, and the speaker was the well-known Anna Pavlovna Scherer, maid of honor and favorite of the Empress Marya Fedorovna. With these words she greeted Prince Vasili Kuragin, a man of high rank and importance, who was the first to arrive at her reception. Anna Pavlovna had had a cough for some days. She was, as she said, suffering from la grippe; grippe being then a new word in St. Petersburg, used only by the elite.
All her invitations without exception, written in French, and delivered by a scarlet-liveried footman that morning, ran as follows:
"If you have nothing better to do, Count [or Prince], and if the prospect of spending an evening with a poor invalid is not too terrible, I shall be very charmed to see you tonight between 7 and 10- Annette Scherer."
"Heavens! what a virulent attack!" replied the prince, not in the least disconcerted by this reception. He had just entered, wearing an embroidered court uniform, knee breeches, and shoes, and had stars on his breast and a serene expression on his flat face. He spoke in that refined French in which our grandfathers not only spoke but thought, and with the gentle, patronizing intonation natural to a man of importance who had grown old in society and at court. He went up to Anna Pavlovna, kissed her hand, presenting to her his bald, scented, and shining head, and complacently seated himself on the sofa.
"First of all, dear friend, tell me how you are. Set your friend's mind at rest," said he without altering his tone, beneath the politeness and affected sympathy of which indifference and even irony could be discerned.
"Can one be well while suffering morally? Can one be calm in times like these if one has any feeling?" said Anna Pavlovna. "You are staying the whole evening, I hope?"
"And the fete at the English ambassador's? Today is Wednesday. I must put in an appearance there," said the prince. "My daughter is coming for me to take me there."
"I thought today's fete had been canceled. I confess all these festivities and fireworks are becoming wearisome."
"If they had known that you wished it, the entertainment would have been put off," said the prince, who, like a wound-up clock, by force of habit said things he did not even wish to be believed.
"Don't tease! Well, and what has been decided about Novosiltsev's dispatch? You know everything."
"What can one say about it?" replied the prince in a cold, listless tone. "What has been decided? They have decided that Buonaparte has burnt his boats, and I believe that we are ready to burn ours."
Prince Vasili always spoke languidly, like an actor repeating a stale part. Anna Pavlovna Scherer on the contrary, despite her forty years, overflowed with animation and impulsiveness. To be an enthusiast had become her social vocation and, sometimes even when she did not feel like it, she became enthusiastic in order not to disappoint the expectations of those who knew her. The subdued smile which, though it did not suit her faded features, always played round her lips expressed, as in a spoiled child, a continual consciousness of her charming defect, which she neither wished, nor could, nor considered it necessary, to correct.
In the midst of a conversation on political matters Anna Pavlovna burst out:
"Oh, don't speak to me of Austria. Perhaps I don't understand things, but Austria never has wished, and does not wish, for war. She is betraying us! Russia alone must save Europe. Our gracious sovereign recognizes his high vocation and will be true to it. That is the one thing I have faith in! Our good and wonderful sovereign has to perform the noblest role on earth, and he is so virtuous and noble that God will not forsake him. He will fulfill his vocation and crush the hydra of revolution, which has become more terrible than ever in the person of this murderer and villain! We alone must avenge the blood of the just one.... Whom, I ask you, can we rely on?... England with her commercial spirit will not and cannot understand the Emperor Alexander's loftiness of soul. She has refused to evacuate Malta. She wanted to find, and still seeks, some secret motive in our actions. What answer did Novosiltsev get? None. The English have not understood and cannot understand the self-abnegation of our Emperor who wants nothing for himself, but only desires the good of mankind. And what have they promised? Nothing! And what little they have promised they will not perform! Prussia has always declared that Buonaparte is invincible, and that all Europe is powerless before him.... And I don't believe a word that Hardenburg says, or Haugwitz either. This famous Prussian neutrality is just a trap. I have faith only in God and the lofty destiny of our adored monarch. He will save Europe!"
She suddenly paused, smiling at her own impetuosity.
"I think," said the prince with a smile, "that if you had been sent instead of our dear Wintzingerode you would have captured the King of Prussia's consent by assault. You are so eloquent. Will you give me a cup of tea?"
"In a moment. A propos," she added, becoming calm again, "I am expecting two very interesting men tonight, le Vicomte de Mortemart, who is connected with the Montmorencys through the Rohans, one of the best French families. He is one of the genuine emigres, the good ones. And also the Abbe Morio. Do you know that profound thinker? He has been received by the Emperor. Had you heard?"
"I shall be delighted to meet them," said the prince. "But tell me," he added with studied carelessness as if it had only just occurred to him, though the question he was about to ask was the chief motive of his visit, "is it true that the Dowager Empress wants Baron Funke to be appointed first secretary at Vienna? The baron by all accounts is a poor creature."
Prince Vasili wished to obtain this post for his son, but others were trying through the Dowager Empress Marya Fedorovna to secure it for the baron.
Anna Pavlovna almost closed her eyes to indicate that neither she nor anyone else had a right to criticize what the Empress desired or was pleased with.
"Baron Funke has been recommended to the Dowager Empress by her sister," was all she said, in a dry and mournful tone.
As she named the Empress, Anna Pavlovna's face suddenly assumed an expression of profound and sincere devotion and respect mingled with sadness, and this occurred every time she mentioned her illustrious patroness. She added that Her Majesty had deigned to show Baron Funke beaucoup d'estime, and again her face clouded over with sadness.
The prince was silent and looked indifferent. But, with the womanly and courtierlike quickness and tact habitual to her, Anna Pavlovna wished both to rebuke him (for daring to speak he had done of a man recommended to the Empress) and at the same time to console him, so she said:
"Now about your family. Do you know that since your daughter came out everyone has been enraptured by her? They say she is amazingly beautiful."
The prince bowed to signify his respect and gratitude.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 8:42 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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