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re: Fuller Rumors: NCAA Charges Coming
Posted on 1/4/15 at 2:05 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Posted on 1/4/15 at 2:05 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
I think we all know that there are those who will circulate internet rumors or try and put a spin on a story to further an agenda. This Saul character sounds like the type.
I have yet to be convinced on the KA hire, I fully admit that. But I truly want the best for the program, I have no agenda. If Fuller and Haith were committing NCAA violations, I'd hate to hear it but would not be surprised. Hope it's not the case and he's not being forced out, especially if we lose good players with him. But it would not surprise me.
One thing that the KA hire screamed to me was integrity. I think Alden was looking for someone so clean he not just squeaked but shone. Like he was worried about something and looking for the safest hire he could make. If these rumors have substance, it makes some sense to me.
Oh, and I heard the same Quin and Linas's girlfriend story, including the part about the office. From someone very reliable. I saw the girl - she was several years older than Linas. Let's just say she didn't look like someone a nice boy would take home to meet mama.
I have yet to be convinced on the KA hire, I fully admit that. But I truly want the best for the program, I have no agenda. If Fuller and Haith were committing NCAA violations, I'd hate to hear it but would not be surprised. Hope it's not the case and he's not being forced out, especially if we lose good players with him. But it would not surprise me.
One thing that the KA hire screamed to me was integrity. I think Alden was looking for someone so clean he not just squeaked but shone. Like he was worried about something and looking for the safest hire he could make. If these rumors have substance, it makes some sense to me.
Oh, and I heard the same Quin and Linas's girlfriend story, including the part about the office. From someone very reliable. I saw the girl - she was several years older than Linas. Let's just say she didn't look like someone a nice boy would take home to meet mama.
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Posted on 1/4/15 at 2:05 pm to reedus23
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I will say the recent commitment has peeked my interest, more so because he actually fills a position of need more than because of a flashy name. I can see the potential with some of the youngsters, but they all seem to offer the same thing, meaning what they don't offer is the same as well, which results in big holes in the team. I think Phillips helps to eliminate one of those holes. What's your thoughts?
I like Phillips in some key ways. His video mixtape shows a lot of ability to drive to rim and good eye for dishing it off for an assist when he does so, as well as some nice defensive plays. Can't glean much but compared to most mixtapes that just show dunking and scoring it gives you a sense of who he is. Wiry and athletic. I'm not sure why he has been so "criminally underrecruited" as Jerry Meyer put it, but he clearly takes pride in generating lots of assists and you always want someone like that in your program. Also, just like Oriakhi and Tony Mitchell liked having Phil Pressey pass them the ball so much that they signed with Mizzou, be aware that Phillips has some junior teammates on Oak Hill academy who are 4 star, highly rated big men and maybe one or two of them will want to come to Mizzou as a result.
I can make cases for Phillips, Van Leer and Puryear individually as each having upsides to develop into contributors. As a whole though, if you stop there and say "this is the recruiting class" then yes I get nervous because this team and roster needs scoring help and immediate outside shooting help next year. And with that group of probably role players in the class, I don't see it yet, unless Van Leer is the next Reggie Miller or something.
It seems like KA has been going through the motions of recruiting the high level top 20 recruits like Blakeney, Briscoe, Tatum et al both because he'd be crazy not to and because Fuller and Fulford are capable of getting in on them. But when left to his own devices it seems like there's a pattern with what "KA recruits" are gonna be like when get to the Allens, Isabells and Phillips types. Guys who win at a high level in high school and are competitive, willing to hustle at all times and get some floor burns, good athletes, but may have some perceived deficiency or something that caused other high majors to overlook them in high school. Sounds kinda like the Pinkel football recruiting model and best case we have to hope that's what it is.
I think the progress on this year's team was good the last two games before Lipscomb. I had told my buddies before the Lipscomb game that with a bunch of 18 and 19 year olds coming back from two high energy, loud arenas against major conference opponents and now coming back to lifeless Mizzou Arena vs a no name opponent that we would come out flat and struggle and we did. But overall there's still progress, and if the group of 7 sophomores and freshmen will just stay together for a couple of years I really think they can be a force nationally by time they are seniors and juniors in 2017.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 2:09 pm to semotruman
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Oh, and I heard the same Quin and Linas's girlfriend story, including the part about the office. From someone very reliable. I saw the girl - she was several years older than Linas. Let's just say she didn't look like someone a nice boy would take home to meet mama.
LOL yeah the rumors on that one got very specific in what my friend told me. I was given her name and what at the time I think was her myspace page. She later dated a Kansas City Chief and then Luke Walton of the Lakers I was told. Something about Jason Kidd a bit later on after that. Her dating those other sports figures if nothing else would tend to point to the plausibility of her at least attempting to have an encounter with Quin, but what I posted is the only thing I ever actually heard.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 2:12 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Not surprising. She had "jock chaser" written all over her. From what I could tell anyway, the troweled on makeup was hard to see through. 
Posted on 1/4/15 at 2:18 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
I think Phillips gets unfairly knocked. With the other guys on that team, he's not asked to score. He's also playing some of the best teams in the nation. His percentages are solid and he's over 80% at the line. I think if asked to, he could score, but he knows that's not his job. The only other knock is height, but if he accepts the true PG role, that's not a concern for me at all at the college level.
Van Leer makes me nervous mainly because he plays against such low competition for the most part, I just don't know if his game will translate to the quickness and athleticism at a high D1 level.
Puryear, I know nothing about.
Van Leer makes me nervous mainly because he plays against such low competition for the most part, I just don't know if his game will translate to the quickness and athleticism at a high D1 level.
Puryear, I know nothing about.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 2:42 pm to semotruman
never saw "her", but I do recall some prints of Clemons choke victim(allegedly I guess)..
I'm still amazed to hear people defend Snyder, the guy was a fuking disaster, hired on a promise to play the rich wal-mart kid with D2 talent, to get a nice fat check to build "Paige" arena, and then the story goes down hill from there.. as if his immoral lifestyle wasn't enough, he wasn't a good basketball coach either, no matter how many rewrites of history are done, he sucked at it.
Enough with the Clemons-Stewart-Snyder jailhouse fiasco, enough of the Hannahs and seedy recruiting Anderson and his drunk kid, enough of the Miami mafia following around a no-name coach... yes I've had enough of it too.
While it was clear Aldens best bet was to let a search firm compile a list of names, and then draw one of them out of a hat, even that blew up in his face. Alden may have hired KA to help "clean up" as you put it, but with a choice of him or whoever is coaching at Moberly Juco, how many more blocks did he have to take a step backwards on?
I'm still amazed to hear people defend Snyder, the guy was a fuking disaster, hired on a promise to play the rich wal-mart kid with D2 talent, to get a nice fat check to build "Paige" arena, and then the story goes down hill from there.. as if his immoral lifestyle wasn't enough, he wasn't a good basketball coach either, no matter how many rewrites of history are done, he sucked at it.
Enough with the Clemons-Stewart-Snyder jailhouse fiasco, enough of the Hannahs and seedy recruiting Anderson and his drunk kid, enough of the Miami mafia following around a no-name coach... yes I've had enough of it too.
While it was clear Aldens best bet was to let a search firm compile a list of names, and then draw one of them out of a hat, even that blew up in his face. Alden may have hired KA to help "clean up" as you put it, but with a choice of him or whoever is coaching at Moberly Juco, how many more blocks did he have to take a step backwards on?
Posted on 1/4/15 at 2:55 pm to reedus23
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Van Leer makes me nervous mainly because he plays against such low competition for the most part, I just don't know if his game will translate to the quickness and athleticism at a high D1 level.
My fam is from Franklin County and while home for XMas break I got to watch Van Leer play a full game on a local access TV replay, not just highlights. It was against Union, MO so indeed the competition level was not very high. But I do like him. The Union defense was double teaming him *everywhere* when he crossed halfcourt - they were doing box and one on him all the way out to the halfcourt line. Still, his athleticism, court awareness and shooting all looked D1-like to me. He had a very nice athletic breakaway dunk - some others like that have floated around youtube - and his speed in transition was faster than those around him despite being much taller than most opponents. He was consistently finding an open man out of all the double teams that was leading to nice secondary breaks for his squad.
People have tried to criticize his shooting percentage in high school to suggest he's really not that great a shooter, but again I don't know if people understand this kid is getting double teamed all the way out to the halfcourt line by opposing defenses. It follows that his shooting percentage may not be as good as it would be under normal circumstances. He hit most of his shots from midrange and longrange in the game I saw. Now, he does not get much height on his jump shot and he hunches over such that it might be pretty easy to block by D1 sized defenders. But that was true of sharp shooter specialists like Steve Kerr too so its not a deal killer.
Most importantly, again albeit against lower level competition, Van Leer's team dominated the game. He was doing the right things out of the double teams to get his team an easy victory. Not all high school players will do that.
This post was edited on 1/4/15 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 1/4/15 at 3:06 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
I think they did try to get some bigger schools scheduled early on. I know they were involved with like Chaminade and Webster Groves in those preseason practice games or whatever they're called. Jams or whatever, where they don't count toward regular season games and they only play like a half. I think Morgan's team was in it too.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 3:07 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
An exercise in eliminating meaningless 'fluff'.
This is forum, not a novel, not a blog, not an article.
Figure it out.
Get with the program.
= I watched Van Leer play against Union, who isn't very good. Despite the bad competition Leer was still impressive.
= He was double teamed all game, but his superior athleticism was no match for the Union defenders.
= He gets knocked for his shooting, but people should consider the fact he's getting double teamed. He might not have the ideal jump shot, but his style works, as it has for greats like Steve Kerr.
= blank (forum posts don't need a conclusion paragraph summarizing the post).
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*Have empathy for your fellow man, the reader.
Make the thoughts in your head as easy to consume and digest as possible.
This is forum, not a novel, not a blog, not an article.
Figure it out.
Get with the program.
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My fam is from Franklin County and while home for XMas break I got to watch Van Leer play a full game on a local access TV replay, not just highlights. It was against Union, MO so indeed the competition level was not very high.But I do like him.
= I watched Van Leer play against Union, who isn't very good. Despite the bad competition Leer was still impressive.
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The Union defense was double teaming him *everywhere* when he crossed halfcourt - they were doing box and one on him all the way out to the halfcourt line. Still, his athleticism, court awareness and shooting all looked D1-like to me. He had a very nice athletic breakaway dunk - some others like that have floated around youtube - and his speed in transition was faster than those around him despite being much taller than most opponents. He was consistently finding an open man out of all the double teams that was leading to nice secondary breaks for his squad.
= He was double teamed all game, but his superior athleticism was no match for the Union defenders.
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People have tried to criticize his shooting percentage in high school to suggest he's really not that great a shooter, but again I don't know if people understand this kid is getting double teamed all the way out to the halfcourt line by opposing defenses. It follows that his shooting percentage may not be as good as it would be under normal circumstances. He hit most of his shots from midrange and longrange in the game I saw. Now, he does not get much height on his jump shot and he hunches over such that it might be pretty easy to block by D1 sized defenders. But that was true of sharp shooter specialists like Steve Kerr too so its not a deal killer.
= He gets knocked for his shooting, but people should consider the fact he's getting double teamed. He might not have the ideal jump shot, but his style works, as it has for greats like Steve Kerr.
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Most importantly, again albeit against lower level competition, Van Leer's team dominated the game. He was doing the right things out of the double teams to get his team an easy victory. Not all high school players will do that
= blank (forum posts don't need a conclusion paragraph summarizing the post).
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*Have empathy for your fellow man, the reader.
Make the thoughts in your head as easy to consume and digest as possible.
This post was edited on 1/4/15 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 1/4/15 at 4:17 pm to miz_zombie
TL;DR. :)
Posted on 1/4/15 at 4:20 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Now you're getting it.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 4:24 pm to miz_zombie
I always get it. Some like reedus ask me to do what I do knowing I'm a TDLR type. So I answer when asked. Others who hate novels don't have to read em. I prefer and expect funny "didn't read lol" gifs from those peeps. Serious and boring writing lessons like yours I actually dont read.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 4:28 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
I love the reads personally and do read them all. I appreciate it ATX. Like you said. Others can just skip if it's too long. In fact, wish we could get ya around these parts more often. Especially with basketball here now.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 4:34 pm to reedus23
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I love the reads personally and do read them all. I appreciate it ATX. Like you said. Others can just skip if it's too long. In fact, wish we could get ya around these parts more often. Especially with basketball here now.
Ditto.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 4:36 pm to miz_zombie
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*Have empathy for your fellow man, the reader.
Make the thoughts in your head as easy to consume and digest as possible.
You really are Dave Matter aren't you?
Posted on 1/4/15 at 4:49 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
It didn't have to be this way.
The only thing that's boring is your writing.
I love novels. I read them often. The ones written by authors, artists of stories.
Not finger-painting wordsman.
Last word is yours, if you wish.
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Serious and boring writing lessons like yours I actually dont read.
The only thing that's boring is your writing.
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Others who hate novels don't have to read em.
I love novels. I read them often. The ones written by authors, artists of stories.
Not finger-painting wordsman.
Last word is yours, if you wish.
This post was edited on 1/4/15 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 1/4/15 at 5:04 pm to miz_zombie
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The only thing that's boring is your writing.
You should try reading the dribble that comes out of the STL paper. I used to post links to various articles but then I realized I just read an entire article that said absolutely nothing. So I figured there was no sense in linking them any more.
Posted on 1/4/15 at 5:40 pm to reedus23
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You should try reading the dribble that comes out of the STL paper
The Post (and virtually all similar outlets) are bad, very bad, in so many senses of the word.
How terrible is their website? It's almost as if it's intentionally awful.
I also can never get over the amount of grammatical errors, which seems hyper-sensitive, but these people are supposed to be professionals.
I get there are deadlines, I get a lot of this stuff is written at a fast pace, but it still just astonishes me with the rate of errors.
This post was edited on 1/4/15 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 1/4/15 at 5:45 pm to miz_zombie
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I also can never get over the amount of grammatical errors, which seems hyper-sensitive, but these people are supposed to be professionals.
same here, I am no pro at writing either by any means, but the amount of mistakes I see that would have been caught by doing a simple "grammar check" with Word, is astounding. It would take all of 20 seconds to cutnpaste and hit the button to scan for problems. The fact that they are usually written under deadline pressure, perhaps late at night, is an even better reason to go through that process.
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