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Posted on 1/6/18 at 9:52 am to wubilli
Posted on 1/6/18 at 9:52 am to wubilli
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According to a couple of the Tennessee beat writers the offense Tennessee ran with him
LOL Who ran the offense? it begins with a C..
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Dooley’s offensive coordinator at Tennessee was Jim Chaney, who will call plays for Georgia in this year's national championship game. In Dallas, Dooley grew frustrated because he wanted more say is the playbook,
Over management.. Trying to fix what isn't broken. Tons of Ego......Starting to sound like BO's twin.
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Dooley has never been a coordinator. He’s never called plays, unless he did it in secret. He’s never specialized in coaching quarterbacks. And he hasn’t recruited since 2012.
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Posted on 1/6/18 at 10:02 am to SemperFi
Wait all these threads before this one have said the the HC gets both the blame and credit for his teams.
Maybe DD ends up being a good OC. If not I think it’s closer to what we saw with Henson. That 2013 offense was very good, because there was talent and experience there. You can also say that about 2018.
It will probably be 2019 or 2020 that we find out if DD can do the job. Same thing happened with Henson.
Maybe DD ends up being a good OC. If not I think it’s closer to what we saw with Henson. That 2013 offense was very good, because there was talent and experience there. You can also say that about 2018.
It will probably be 2019 or 2020 that we find out if DD can do the job. Same thing happened with Henson.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 10:13 am to SemperFi
I think our biggest adjustment in a Pro style offense is the Oline. They will now need to learn to drive block instead of occupy space and dance. There will also be more pulling guards and tackles on run plays. I don’t think we’ve had linemen able to do this for years. Castillo came from a run based offense in HS. He probably remembers how to drive block and get push on the LOS. Pro style is all about whipping the other guy on the line, and getting the push. 3 yards and a cloud of dust between the tackles. If we can get or teach out personnel, it’s a winning style of offense to play. But whipping Georgia and Bama in the trenches will certainly test our ability.
So, pro style offense establishes the run first, then play action pass. Sometimes go over the top to keep the defense honest. But if we can’t run the ball, and teams load the box, the flexibility isn’t there to adjust like RPO.
So, pro style offense establishes the run first, then play action pass. Sometimes go over the top to keep the defense honest. But if we can’t run the ball, and teams load the box, the flexibility isn’t there to adjust like RPO.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 10:19 am to RocketBallz
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Lots of good OC are bad head coaches
Good point. I’ve forgotten where he was OC before. Do you know?
Posted on 1/6/18 at 10:27 am to SemperFi
Arkansas couldn't wait to run Chaney out of town after two seasons when they scored 16 and 20 PPG during conference play during the 2013-14 seasons. He now looks like a savant again while coaching the most talented two deep he has ever had.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 10:32 am to navynuke
Navy that’s a better look at my point. DD will have a talented offense next season. I think he will be successful his first season.
Now in his second season when he will have to replace Lock, Hall, 2 NFL TE’s and 2 starters on the OL. That will be when we find out if DD can do the job.
Now in his second season when he will have to replace Lock, Hall, 2 NFL TE’s and 2 starters on the OL. That will be when we find out if DD can do the job.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 10:37 am to wubilli
You may be right. But why did Odom pick Dooley? Anyone want to take a shot at that? Like a real answer? Not “he thought he’d be the best guy for the job.”
Posted on 1/6/18 at 10:41 am to the808bass
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Hubbs: “I can understand how Odom was impressed with Derek Dooley in an interview. He is as organized as can be. I guarantee you he came in with a Power Point presentation, he came in with all kinds of charts and graphs. I guarantee you he interviewed well. That’s Derek Dooley.”
That’s a Tennessee insider take. The hire doesn’t make sense to me, but I will give DD a chance. I also think there’s enough offensive talent here now for him to have a good first season.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 10:45 am to wubilli
I can interview well and make a good power point. And I’m really not being flip here. What was the thought process that led Odom to say “Let’s bring in Derek Dooley?”
Did it include: I don’t want someone who can be interim if we start 1-4 next year.
Did it include: 8 people I’ve wanted have not had sufficient interest in working here.
Did it include: I don’t want someone who can be interim if we start 1-4 next year.
Did it include: 8 people I’ve wanted have not had sufficient interest in working here.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 10:49 am to the808bass
The hire hedges on DD's exposure to what Garrett has done with the RPO/power run game and Prescott the last two years.
Having another WR coach developing QBs is the biggest question I have with the hire.
Having another WR coach developing QBs is the biggest question I have with the hire.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 10:54 am to navynuke
I will take your word for that.
Any reason we are paying him more than Heupel made?
Any reason we are paying him more than Heupel made?
Posted on 1/6/18 at 11:23 am to the808bass
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Any reason we are paying him more than Heupel made?
Jimmy Sexton.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 11:29 am to navynuke
Eh. He didn’t get Odom a raise.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 11:40 am to the808bass
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He didn’t get Odom a raise.
Sexton sort of did. Part of BO’s bonus structure is tied to attendance. If attendance is in the same neighborhood as the last couple of years BO will make an extra 500-600k next season.
Heupel has the same type of thing in his contract at UCF.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 11:53 am to wubilli
That’s not a raise.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 12:00 pm to wubilli
Koetter getting another year at Tampa tubed BO's top target IMO. Almost identical offensive concepts and QB development experience. Monken wouldn't have been in Columbia long but I would have liked to have seen him get the job.
This post was edited on 1/6/18 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 1/6/18 at 12:16 pm to the808bass
Few thoughts.
DD has been a head coach and can run the offense with little to no supervision. This allows Barry to focus on the defense 100%.
What's wrong with a pro offense? You need 3 things really. Big physical backs, QB with pocket presence and an arm, and a big physical offensive line. Mizzou possesses all 3 of these. Add in the fact we have an NFL Tight End and I don't see the issue.
Weren't some of you crying about up tempo and not controlling the ball?
Last, the guy was given a HC job in the SEC and was an assistant in the NFL, he obviously brings something to the table.
DD has been a head coach and can run the offense with little to no supervision. This allows Barry to focus on the defense 100%.
What's wrong with a pro offense? You need 3 things really. Big physical backs, QB with pocket presence and an arm, and a big physical offensive line. Mizzou possesses all 3 of these. Add in the fact we have an NFL Tight End and I don't see the issue.
Weren't some of you crying about up tempo and not controlling the ball?
Last, the guy was given a HC job in the SEC and was an assistant in the NFL, he obviously brings something to the table.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 12:31 pm to TigerCruise
Conceptually, I like what direction BO is trying to push the offense in. Crockett and Rountree making cuts behind power and counter blocking is ideal and creates a lot of conflict for the SS/SLB.
DD has never been a QB coach. Andy Hill is a great WR coach. QB coach? Pinkel's decision to not allow Henson to hire a QB coach cost the entire staff their jobs. Mauk was a train wreck his entire career mechanically and Lock was fundamentally flawed until JH got to Columbia.
For that reason alone, I don't like the hire.
DD has never been a QB coach. Andy Hill is a great WR coach. QB coach? Pinkel's decision to not allow Henson to hire a QB coach cost the entire staff their jobs. Mauk was a train wreck his entire career mechanically and Lock was fundamentally flawed until JH got to Columbia.
For that reason alone, I don't like the hire.
This post was edited on 1/6/18 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 1/6/18 at 12:40 pm to navynuke
My thought is Barry couldn't find a QB coach he liked, if Lock comes back ideally there's not a lot you need for a QB coach to be super involved this year. I'd think he hires a QB coach next year and has DD just be the OC in 2019.
That's just an educated guess.
That's just an educated guess.
Posted on 1/6/18 at 12:51 pm to navynuke
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DD has never coached been a QB coach.
Nor has he called a play
He hasn't recruited since 2012
He went 4-19 in the SEC
He is 0-15 against top 20 teams.
Had one winning season (LaTech 2008)
He was just fired from Dallas
Unimpressive at best.
Let's see what he does next year.
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