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Posted on 12/31/19 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 12/31/19 at 2:59 pm
This topic has been covered plenty on the rant and other message boards, but I feel after the bowl game that it could be revisited.
We have been spoiled as a fan base for this past decade. Dan Mullen took us to levels we hadn’t been to before, and, by the looks of it, won’t be back at for a very long time.
Everyone says that Moorhead is a players coach. Don’t misunderstand, I don’t think that it is a bad thing to be that. My concern with it though comes from a “this team is soft” standpoint. We used to have the reputation of less talent, more physical. Teams would be limping off the field after playing us, whether they won or not. I don’t know whether it is the S&C coaches fault or what, but something has got to change. I miss the fire that Dan had on the sidelines at all times, whether we were winning or losing.
Everyone was talking about the fight between Gay and Shrader last week. My thoughts are somewhat unclear on the topic, so I’ll leave it at this. Moorhead has lost control and the respect of this team.
I don’t know what the future holds for Mississippi State football, but it is not good right now. I’d love to hear everyone’s thoughts after the bowl game and projections for our future.
We have been spoiled as a fan base for this past decade. Dan Mullen took us to levels we hadn’t been to before, and, by the looks of it, won’t be back at for a very long time.
Everyone says that Moorhead is a players coach. Don’t misunderstand, I don’t think that it is a bad thing to be that. My concern with it though comes from a “this team is soft” standpoint. We used to have the reputation of less talent, more physical. Teams would be limping off the field after playing us, whether they won or not. I don’t know whether it is the S&C coaches fault or what, but something has got to change. I miss the fire that Dan had on the sidelines at all times, whether we were winning or losing.
Everyone was talking about the fight between Gay and Shrader last week. My thoughts are somewhat unclear on the topic, so I’ll leave it at this. Moorhead has lost control and the respect of this team.
I don’t know what the future holds for Mississippi State football, but it is not good right now. I’d love to hear everyone’s thoughts after the bowl game and projections for our future.
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Posted on 12/31/19 at 4:57 pm to JunctionDawg
I've been a state fan for a very long time. When I was in school, the students were actually throwing their cowbells at the team from the stands. I'm serious. So, I've seen the worst. We are only as good as the school will support. The support has never been good enough to win year in year out with consistency. Small school in a small state? The only school with a smaller student body is Vandy. Medium income per household....Ms. dead last. So, lots of things that can effect overall programs. The future of state football is perhaps better than the history, but not by much.
This post was edited on 12/31/19 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 12/31/19 at 5:02 pm to JunctionDawg
Agreed
The only thing Merlins didn’t do was take us back to Atlanta but damn it we had a swagger to us that made us almost always be competitive especially against teams we should be. Yesterday looked like dogshit, complete and utter dogshit. It’s not to late to change the course and make a move on someone I just don’t know who to go after at this point. With the NFL making some big moves this week it could open up some staff options but do we have the balls to do it. Cohen really f’d up with the contract after the eggbowl. I’m sure our recruiting is going to suck arse worse now as well.
Joe needs to look at LSU and get over his “yankee arse” and give play calling to someone else because it sucks right now. KT should’ve been our QB and he f’d that up. The team wanted KT so I’m sure he lost some respect on that which has put Schrader in a bad spot. Sure he got some good reps but shite we had one of the most successful backup QB’s in the country ready to go only to bail on him for transfer arse who kept standing like a statue and getting hurt. I’m done with football until he’s gone or at least admits his mistakes. All in on baseball now so F it
The only thing Merlins didn’t do was take us back to Atlanta but damn it we had a swagger to us that made us almost always be competitive especially against teams we should be. Yesterday looked like dogshit, complete and utter dogshit. It’s not to late to change the course and make a move on someone I just don’t know who to go after at this point. With the NFL making some big moves this week it could open up some staff options but do we have the balls to do it. Cohen really f’d up with the contract after the eggbowl. I’m sure our recruiting is going to suck arse worse now as well.
Joe needs to look at LSU and get over his “yankee arse” and give play calling to someone else because it sucks right now. KT should’ve been our QB and he f’d that up. The team wanted KT so I’m sure he lost some respect on that which has put Schrader in a bad spot. Sure he got some good reps but shite we had one of the most successful backup QB’s in the country ready to go only to bail on him for transfer arse who kept standing like a statue and getting hurt. I’m done with football until he’s gone or at least admits his mistakes. All in on baseball now so F it
Posted on 12/31/19 at 6:58 pm to JunctionDawg
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“this team is soft”
I posted that after the Kstate game. There was no excuse for them, a Big 12 school, to come to Starkvegas and be more physical than us. It was pitiful. Our Oline digressed this year big time with basically veterans.
Posted on 12/31/19 at 8:24 pm to clayking
Take away the Jackson Medical School and we surpass them in Student body.
Which is all that matters. Starkville Student Body vs Oxford Student Body.
And yes I am very afraid of the future support of Football. It could look exactly like MBB where even when we're good, fans will make excuses not to come. And we're one more Moorhead season away from that
Which is all that matters. Starkville Student Body vs Oxford Student Body.
And yes I am very afraid of the future support of Football. It could look exactly like MBB where even when we're good, fans will make excuses not to come. And we're one more Moorhead season away from that
Posted on 12/31/19 at 8:26 pm to Cdawg
Absolutely Cdawg. Was absolutely done with him after looking as pitiful as we did after a disappointing Auburn performance and a BYE vs Tennessee. Just wow.
And a ton of State fans like myself went to that game in Knoxville. Might've been 30-35% MSU fans in that stadium and we got treated to that.
And a ton of State fans like myself went to that game in Knoxville. Might've been 30-35% MSU fans in that stadium and we got treated to that.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 12:37 pm to JunctionDawg
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We have been spoiled as a fan base for this past decade. Dan Mullen took us to levels we hadn’t been to before, and, by the looks of it, won’t be back at for a very long time.
Won't be as long if our AD made the correct decisions and fired the idiot running our football program. (not his program)
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Everyone says that Moorhead is a players coach. Don’t misunderstand, I don’t think that it is a bad thing to be that. My concern with it though comes from a “this team is soft” standpoint.
Definitely correct here. The problem is there is a difference between a players coach and letting the inmates run the asylum as the saying goes. Moorhead doesn't hold anyone accountable, especially himself. He's a narcissist who believes he is infallible and does no wrong.
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We used to have the reputation of less talent, more physical. Teams would be limping off the field after playing us, whether they won or not. I don’t know whether it is the S&C coaches fault or what, but something has got to change. I miss the fire that Dan had on the sidelines at all times, whether we were winning or losing.
This culture is soft and it starts at the top. I was told some great advice within the last few years that made me question my own coaching. "What you allow, you encourage". And it's obvious to me that Moorhead encourages a lot.
We are in for some dark years ahead. For all the folks screaming about well at least he's not Croom...... we will be there soon enough.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 6:10 pm to ChargerDog91
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We are in for some dark years ahead.
Quite often, when the outlook is very one sided, the opposite is the best bet.....well, here's hoping.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 7:02 pm to JunctionDawg
Posted on 1/1/20 at 7:27 pm to corndawg85
Good. This needs to be the discussion.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 9:22 pm to corndawg85
Steve Robertson is reporting that there is some smoke to these rumors.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 7:33 am to JunctionDawg
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Steve Robertson is reporting that there is some smoke to these rumors
I bet he comes back for another year. I bet the majority of the rumors involve staff changes. I'm still hopeful though that our administration makes the change instead of waiting until November.
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 7:34 am
Posted on 1/2/20 at 8:47 am to corndawg85
Agreed. Why make staff changes this offseason when you’re more than likely bringing in a new HC next year? Who is going to move their family to Starkville for less than a year?
My opinion (not that it means anything at all in this situation) is to rip off the bandaid. Fire Moorhead, throw a bunch of money at a Napier or P.J. Fleck type. Let them hire the staff they want with however much money it takes and let them hold this signing class together and get to recruiting/coaching.
My opinion (not that it means anything at all in this situation) is to rip off the bandaid. Fire Moorhead, throw a bunch of money at a Napier or P.J. Fleck type. Let them hire the staff they want with however much money it takes and let them hold this signing class together and get to recruiting/coaching.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 12:16 pm to JunctionDawg
They put a hard cap on Moorhead's budget. Hell he took a paycut the first year. Why would they just dole out a bunch of money all of the sudden? Is someone gonna write a 20 million dollar check? Or are we banking on the revenue from the new TV contract that hasn't started yet?
Posted on 1/2/20 at 12:29 pm to yatesdog38
If I’m Cohen, I move on from Moorhead. This allows him to somewhat save face. Then, I go to all of the big money donors with a plan. I’m talking names of potential HCs and solid ideas on how you will go about getting these names here. Then raise as much money as possible.
At this point you’re going to have to throw out bigger money than we have as of late to get any coach worth a shite.
At this point you’re going to have to throw out bigger money than we have as of late to get any coach worth a shite.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 12:36 pm to JunctionDawg
I'm on the fire Cohen train more than the fire Moorhead train. If Cohen can't hold our gameday contractors/vendors accountable then he needs to go. He seems to flip flop on big decisions and then call a bunt. I was against hiring him from the get go. Let Joe stay till next year and let the New AD pick his guy for HC name him after the season unless Moorhead somehow manages to win 10 games.
That's what needs to happen. Cohen needs to be calling baseball games from a booth somewhere not coaching and not directing athletic program
That's what needs to happen. Cohen needs to be calling baseball games from a booth somewhere not coaching and not directing athletic program
Posted on 1/2/20 at 3:56 pm to The Winner
I had club level seats to the bowl, we spent a ton staying at the Hilton right across the river.
I’m done now. I gave it one last shot thinking Louisville should be easy after the way UK smoked them and a bowl win would ease the pain and give us momentum. I’m not supporting this program by buying tickets until changes are made or I see vast improvement by current staff
I’m done now. I gave it one last shot thinking Louisville should be easy after the way UK smoked them and a bowl win would ease the pain and give us momentum. I’m not supporting this program by buying tickets until changes are made or I see vast improvement by current staff
Posted on 1/2/20 at 4:00 pm to ChargerDog91
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We are in for some dark years ahead. For all the folks screaming about well at least he's not Croom...... we will be there soon enough.
He might be worse. He may not be record wise but Croom was a good man who disciplined his team. He just had no talent and a shitty scheme. Moorhead can limp along and eek out 5-7 wins due to better scheme and he recruits decent. But his teams are terribly undisciplined and inconsistent and we should demand more than mediocrity because Sherrill and Mullen proved that we can do better
Posted on 1/2/20 at 4:06 pm to yatesdog38
Agree I’m not impressed with Cohen.
I say 8 wins or better. That’s realistic expectations. And look competitive in the losses
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unless Moorhead somehow manages to win 10 games.
I say 8 wins or better. That’s realistic expectations. And look competitive in the losses
Posted on 1/2/20 at 5:08 pm to deltaland
Agreed. I work too damn hard for my money to waste it on this program. I have a wife and a almost 6 month old who goes through more diapers than I ever could have anticipated.
Like it or not, Mississippi is a blue collar state. This program has always had a reputation as blue collar. When Moorhead came in and started talking about changing the culture, I think a lot of people thought of that as a slap in the face.
Maybe I’m way off base here. Just my point of view.
Like it or not, Mississippi is a blue collar state. This program has always had a reputation as blue collar. When Moorhead came in and started talking about changing the culture, I think a lot of people thought of that as a slap in the face.
Maybe I’m way off base here. Just my point of view.
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