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re: TJGator was right
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:50 pm to fibonaccisquared
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:50 pm to fibonaccisquared
You haven't read enough threads here. The Mac supporters think that blue chip stat is bull shite and all of our 3 stars are better than your 4 and 5 stars.
So there's that.
So there's that.
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 3:52 pm to UFMatt
Lol no. We offer the right money and great HCs like Kelly or frost would come. Macs a dead man walking. It's a different situation. The NFL fires coaches all the time in less than 3 years. There's no shortage of guys who would take the job.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 4:27 pm to fibonaccisquared
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Meanwhile, recruiting has regressed significantly overall since Muschamp so the talent level will be declining before a new coach could be put in place if Mac can't get it turned around.
Which is why we have to recruit a coach that can win with lessor talent. Look at Dantonio at MSU. He may have 1 bad year out of 4 but he consistently competes with 2* and 3*s. He knows how to coach kids up. We need someone that can make our talent better instead of wasting 4 years in this program. It's a shame that we have players that have to wait for the NFL to showcase their talent because it's not happening here.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 5:15 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
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Look at Dantonio at MSU. He may have 1 bad year out of 4 but he consistently competes with 2* and 3*s.
Well... kind of. He had the advantage of being in the bad half of the B1G back when it was even worse than it is now (Legends/Leaders years)... since moving into the same half of the conference as tOSU, Penn St, and Michigan, life has gotten much harder. Not saying it's impossible, but it took Dantonio a while to get where he is today also... it's not like he took over that job and just started getting 2-3* kids to compete for conference championships on the reg.
Starting in 2007:
7-6
9-4 (top 25 finish)
6-7
11-2 (top 15 finish)
11-3 (#11 finish)
7-6
13-1 (#3 finish)
11-2 (#5 finish)
12-2
3-9
Ultimately it took him 3 seasons as the HC there to become the coach that we think of... 3-4 seasons is about right in most cases. For him, you at least saw a notable uptick in year 2, which is something you didn't see in Mac.
I'm wondering who takes a shot on Troy Calhoun at Air Force... dude has averaged 9+ wins over the last 3 seasons, has NFL experience, and DoD decision to enforce rule requiring immediate 2 years of active duty after graduation is going to limit his supply of potential NFL athletes...
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 5:25 pm to fibonaccisquared
Look at Dantonio's incoming classes each year then look at his record. That guy does more with less than most other CFB coaches out there. His recruiting is Vandy level but at the end of each year, his teams are playing better as you see a clear improvement. Imagine USC or UK having the records he's had at MSU every other year? Hell, my biggest fear is him coaching at USC. I think he'd eventually dominate the East and most likely give Bama a run most years. That guy knows how to coach up players.
UF needs a PROVEN HC. No more up and coming busts. Someone that has been a HC at several other places IMO that knows how to handle the pressure cooker.
UF needs a PROVEN HC. No more up and coming busts. Someone that has been a HC at several other places IMO that knows how to handle the pressure cooker.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 5:35 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
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Look at Dantonio's incoming classes each year then look at his record. That guy does more with less than most other CFB coaches out there.
Look at the average recruiting rankings of the teams he plays against. Outside of tOSU and Michigan, he's generally right in line with the other teams in conference. It's no great shock that Michigan has woefully underperformed their talent in the last decade and a half or so.
I'm not knocking him as a coach, but I just think it's a mistake to assume that he, or a coach of his ilk, would come in and have you competing for championships that quickly. Yes, his access to talent improves, but the talent basis he's coaching against improves as well in the SEC. (The coaching talent, less so...
)Posted on 10/16/17 at 6:16 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
I like Justin Fuentes because he has done good at 2 different schools and is a offensive guy. I don't know if there is very many guys who have done good at different schools. Petrino has done it but he has a lot of baggage. I think if we want a proven guy then Stoops and Kelly should get a call. I think I would want a young guy but I think Stoops is the mostly hire right now . If Kelly is going to coach again in college we would be one of his best fits. Kelly could be cheap for the first 3 years if rumors about his buy out are true .
Posted on 10/16/17 at 6:26 pm to tjv305
Bob is not our most likely hire lol
Posted on 10/16/17 at 6:37 pm to Gatorbait2008
Who is then ? He coached here and it's a lateral more while most other jobs would be a down grade from Oklahoma.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 6:49 pm to Gatorbait2008
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Bob is not our most likely hire lol
Agreed, Bob didnt leave OU to come to UF.. Cmon ppl
Posted on 10/16/17 at 7:34 pm to tjv305
He left OU to stop coaching. Its an insane job he wanted no more.
Most likely who knows. No main sure fire guy right now. Not Stoops though.
Most likely who knows. No main sure fire guy right now. Not Stoops though.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:20 pm to Gatorbait2008
Charlie Strong would be my top choice. He should have been HC here years ago but this would be perfect timing as he learned from mistakes. He know's Florida and would kill recruiting. 2nd choice which isn't popular but the more I think about it, the more I like it would be Lane Kiffin. His team has improved each week. He's also recruiting Florida and he would have a huge incentive to beat Bama. He reminds me of Spurrier with his don't give a shite attitude and I could see him finally running up the score on our rivals. We need brash and cocky. Kiffin is a smart mofo that can assemble a strong team.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:55 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
Kiffin, Strong, Frost, Easter Bunny.. idgaf as long as they can fix this abomination we put on the field each week called an offense.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 10:33 pm to dbuchanon
USF is averaging like 40+ points a game. I think they might go undefeated this year as well. Strong seems to have learned a lot about running an offense. His defenses seem to have tailed off but at this point, I'd much rather take the high powered offense. I like Strong's spread offense but Kiffin is also using variations of the spread that has traditionally given Bama fits. Kiffin might be the one coach that knows how to beat Bama. But, I think Strong has so much more experience while Kiffin probably has more drive.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 10:53 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
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Strong seems to have learned a lot about running an offense. His defenses seem to have tailed off but at this point,
His defense hasnt changed much scheme wise, keep in mind he doesnt have 5 star talent running it.
A big mistake ppl make is saying yeah this -insert small school HC - has a good offense but doesnt care about defense. This is the most idiotic thing i see on these boards. On offense you can scheme mismatches/misdirection and dbl teams to manufacture yards, defense is different. You can scheme all day but at the end a 2 star recruit cannot cover a 5 star wr. And you cant dbl everybody.
dont believe me?
You notice those teams hardly if ever have a great defense and no offense.......... its always vice versa
Posted on 11/26/17 at 3:29 pm to olemc999
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So the only thing you disagree with is that he won't get fired if he is 5-6 or worse. Hang with me here. Absolute worse case scenario. A&M beats us. Close game but we get the L. Georgia arse rapes us in Jacksonville. Drew Lock has a magical game and Mizzou puts it together and upsets us. South Carolina and Muschamp come in super motivated and Bentley puts together a good game. Muschamp gets his revenge. At this point is when the team gives up and the division in the fanbase ends for McElwain. Most people will be pissed at this point. UAB comes in and gives us a hell of a game. We win something like 20-17. FSU have turned it around and just clowns on us in the Swamp. At this point we would be 4-7. The class would have defections. The noise in the system would be the loudest it's been since 2013 especially if there was no staff changes. So answer me this and you can not say I am crazy and none of this would happen. If all this went down, you seriously believe he wouldn't get fired?
Just frickin Nostradamus shite right there.
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