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re: TJGator was right
Posted on 10/15/17 at 11:35 am to dbuchanon
Posted on 10/15/17 at 11:35 am to dbuchanon
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I already said I wasnt a fan of the Mac hire, but he's the HC now and he deserves a fair shot of righting the ship. To fire him his first down year with all of the things happening to this team is pretty kneejerk
Boston Red Sox just fired their manager after they won a title and won their division 2 straight years.
Is the team being run well? Is the team on an upward trajectory? Is all these problems we see on and off the field isolated issues or systematic? I've personally seen enough. This team has not improved under McElwain. Not one bit. Time for change.
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Posted on 10/15/17 at 1:08 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
Manager is usually the lowest hanging fruit to get fired when fans are unhappy in baseball, so it's not a fair comparison.
I'd say the OC or DC in football is better comparison to the manager in baseball. The first guys to get fired when something goes wrong.
And in Farrell's case, he won a world series in his first year, had two really bad seasons, and then won the division twice. So there were signs of improvement, but in baseball, especially in Boston, it's what you do in the play offs that keep you employed, and he sucked in those big games the last two years, going 1-6.
I think Mac should stay and replace his coordinators.
I'd say the OC or DC in football is better comparison to the manager in baseball. The first guys to get fired when something goes wrong.
And in Farrell's case, he won a world series in his first year, had two really bad seasons, and then won the division twice. So there were signs of improvement, but in baseball, especially in Boston, it's what you do in the play offs that keep you employed, and he sucked in those big games the last two years, going 1-6.
I think Mac should stay and replace his coordinators.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 7:48 pm to slayerxing
Question - when has changing OC and DC coordinators ever worked? Has it?
Posted on 10/15/17 at 8:48 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
Dabo Swinney went from below average to winning national championships after he changed OC's 
Posted on 10/15/17 at 8:50 pm to dbuchanon
The TEAM LOOKS LIKE SHUT AT FULL STRENGTH. IT HASN'T CHANGED SINCE MAC GOT HERE. IT LOOKS LIKE WM NEVER LEFT.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 8:55 pm to atlgator
Dabo knows how to recruit balance talent loaded rosters. Mac has one good class right now in the top 5 of the SEC
This post was edited on 10/15/17 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 10/15/17 at 9:00 pm to dbuchanon
USC is missing 20 guys. They're 6-1 and came back to beat Utah. They're #19 in offense, and #36 I'm scoring. They're missing multiple upperclassmen not a ton of freshman.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 9:06 pm to TJGator1215
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The TEAM LOOKS LIKE SHUT AT FULL STRENGTH
Hasnt been at full strength all season, how can you say that with any certainty?
This post was edited on 10/15/17 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 10/15/17 at 9:17 pm to dbuchanon
From 2015-2017 This team has looked the same.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 9:23 pm to TJGator1215
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From 2015-2017 This team has looked the same.
Uh, no. It hasnt
Posted on 10/15/17 at 9:24 pm to TJGator1215
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USC is missing 20 guys. They're 6-1 and came back to beat Utah. They're #19 in offense, and #36 I'm scoring. They're missing multiple upperclassmen not a ton of freshman.
Weird what a first-round draft pick at Quarterback can do. There are tons of teams who are average because of quarterback play.
Florida State comes to mind.
Didn't Michigan just lose their quarterback and lose a close game against a rival by a score?
Didn't the Patriots get shut out when Tom Brady wasn't playing?
Belichick is supposed to be a master! How could he get shut out?
It's not just about missing upperclassmen -- it's about missing almost the entire offense and a lot of depth at defense.
Your #1 Receiver, #2 Receiver, #3 Receiver
(Callaway, Cleveland, Toney)
#1 Back (Scarlett)
#1 Quarterback (Del Rio) -- and you'll scream and moan about Del Rio, but the offensive production was muuuuch better under him -- especially on third down conversions. He was also extending plays and making the right executions outside of one errant pass.
He lost every skill position you can lose, at five different positions with a pretty bad QB. We had a chance to beat A&M who just hung with Alabama -- undisputed #1.
We lost by an extra-point to LSU, who just beat a top 10 team.
Michigan, until they lost their quarterback, had a top 10 defense. (They still might, okay, they are.)
Could be worse, or we could be 5 - 1 and with everyone missing.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 6:41 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Dude Del Rio was not that much better than Franks. The improvement in the offense was evident in the Kentucky game, but he wasn't exactly lighting up a really bad Vanderbilt defense when he got hurt. And if he really is all so much better and the clear #1, why didn't the coaches see that? That in itself is an issue.
You can cover up a lot of deficiencies in an offense if you have a QB. Grier in 2015 proves that for Florida.
But the point is, this staff has FAILED to identify, recruit, and develop a serviceable QB. If they had, we wouldn't be having these conversations. It is their single biggest failing as a staff, and it is the primary reason that someone will be looking for a new job this year. Probably Nuss.
You can cover up a lot of deficiencies in an offense if you have a QB. Grier in 2015 proves that for Florida.
But the point is, this staff has FAILED to identify, recruit, and develop a serviceable QB. If they had, we wouldn't be having these conversations. It is their single biggest failing as a staff, and it is the primary reason that someone will be looking for a new job this year. Probably Nuss.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 8:59 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
USC has was without multiple starters on offense throughout the year. They're still light years ahead.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:37 am to fibonaccisquared
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I think it is a little better now with Shannon on board,
NOw?
He's been on board for several years.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:47 am to dbuchanon
At the end of year 3, if we are not any better than we are now, changes in co-coordinators have to be made and the Head Coach has to be told clearly that if progress isn't made in year 4 that his job in in jeopardy.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:59 am to UFMatt
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At the end of year 3, if we are not any better than we are now, changes in co-coordinators have to be made and the Head Coach has to be told clearly that if progress isn't made in year 4 that his job in in jeopardy.
Top tier coordinators should surely line up to come to Florida under those circumstances.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 10:05 am to roadGator
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Top tier coordinators should surely line up to come to Florida under those circumstances.
That's the catch 22! Not only with co-coordinators but also with top tier head coaches watching the situation.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:24 pm to UFMatt
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hat's the catch 22! Not only with co-coordinators but also with top tier head coaches watching the situation.
We have enough talent that a good head coach could come in and turn things around fast and with good recruiting compete for an SEC title.
Do you believe that Nuss and Mac are so clueless when it comes to running an offense that a new OC will improve this offense in 1 year ? If we need a new OC to run the offense then why do we even have Mac ? We are just digging a bigger a hole by hiring a new staff around Mac. The only way I think Nuss should be fired is if it's today . Then we get 6 games to see if Nuss was the problem or Mac is the problem.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:41 pm to UFMatt
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That's the catch 22! Not only with co-coordinators but also with top tier head coaches watching the situation.
Not gonna lie... that's my favorite part of the situation as a fan of a rival school. UF in no man's land... can't fire Mac realistically this season even if the powers that be wanted to on the heels of back to back East championships... situation not good enough to attract elite coordinators, and potential HC's watching are not necessarily thrilled by the opportunity. Meanwhile, recruiting has regressed significantly overall since Muschamp so the talent level will be declining before a new coach could be put in place if Mac can't get it turned around.
This is how you hire the next D. Dooley... go ahead. You can do it.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:46 pm to tjv305
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We have enough talent that a good head coach could come in and turn things around fast and with good recruiting compete for an SEC title.
This would take a pretty elite hire... UF down to 37% (ish?) Blue Chip ratio... the upside is the East is still garbage overall, so take down UGA and then whichever team whack-a-mole's to the top contender each year, and there is time to right the ship, but I'm not sure you can realistically say compete for a SEC *title*... chance to play in the SECCG? Sure... but it almost certainly would be as sacrificial lamb against Bama with the current UF talent level (see: 2015, 2016). The same may be true for UGA this year, and we're at 63% (75% in Kirby's 2 classes).
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