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South Carolina breakdown.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:44 am
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:44 am
So far I'm 2 - 0 on the season of Breakdown threads and so here's what I've got to go on:
I watched the Kentucky, Georgia and Alabama games.
You guys know what comes first: QBs.
Ryan Hilinski - He's the type of guy that guys like Kirby and Muschamp love. Low maintenance, makes good decisions and is able to make plays under duress. I really don't see any holes in his game so far, because he seems just a naturally gifted player who Muschamp stumbled into. That being said...
I don't think he should play this Saturday because of his knee. Muschamp will likely trot him out there, but the last time Muschamp said he was "okay", he was clearly not okay and was limping all over the field. I don't think his knee is okay and I think we should prepare for his backup, Dakereon Joyner.
Dakereon is a lot like Treon Harris -- fast, not a great passer but can make you pay with his legs. He was also being utilized as a receiver and recently switched over. Game planning for him should be relatively easy as it means you just up the pressure.
Either way, we will go after these quarterbacks knowing that Hilinski will likely be hobbled (he still isn't 100% at practice yet) and Dakereon isn't a great passer.
Kyle Trask - I'm feeling more and more confident in his ability to move the ball and find the right receivers. As long as teams get called for defensive holding going forward, I think he can make them pay. (Even with the mauling last Saturday he managed to throw for over 300 yards in Death Valley.) Atmosphere will not affect him. Trask is improving as well, having managed his pocket awareness much better and avoided fumbles in the previous game.
His lone interception came off of a rather blatant defensive holding that forced him to go to his second read over the middle as well as a poorly timed switcheroo at the Quarterback position.
I hope see a lot less of Emory Jones going forward.
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SCAR's Offense: Pretty simplistic and a lot of times kind of annoying. They take shots every now and again but it's very vanilla. An occasional sprinkle of a reverse or jet-sweep but for the most part it's slants and swing passes with a power running look. They are good, though, especially with Hilinski but I think we will be able to shut them down.
Florida's Offense: Hard to know at this point since our rushing attack has been so abysmal. We did see some new looks last week, including a healthy dose of Emory Jones but I don't feel like we need to roll out packages with him as often as we did last game. As I've pointed out before, Kyle Trask went 4/5 for 3 touchdowns in the Red Zone. He moved the team to the Red Zone six times last game.
Put the ball in his hands and let 'er rip.
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SCAR Defense: A lot of people have fond memories of Muschamp's defenses but I mostly remember games like Alabama going for 500 yards against us, Louisville carving us up in the Sugar Bowl without breaking a sweat and Georgia Southern beating us in The Swamp without completing a pass.
His defense is horrendous regarding discipline. His players are routinely out of position and seem to over-commit to a lot of different looks. Most deceptive plays catch them off-guard whether it be a simple play action or a more complicated reverse, they seem to always be oblivious that a team might not be doing what they are showing.
Similarly, their tackling was absolutely abysmal vs. several teams and excruciating at times since they let teams move down the field a lot and simply hoped to hold them to a field goal every drive. They don't like giving up big plays and are beaten quite extensively when they try to blitz.
Florida's Defense: After last Saturday, it's hard to have faith in them -- however, LSU is likely the best offense we will face all year. They have a legitimate QB (as I predicted in the last thread) and as we know Grantham suffers mightily against pocket-passing Quarterbacks who can pre-snap read the defense. That being said, I think we will fix a lot of errors this week.
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Prediction:
Pessimistic: Once again our offensive line fails to establish a running game and our one-dimensional offense commits several turnovers from chaos plays. The Gamecocks keep it close and the game is decided at the end by a field goal -- just as Muschamp drew it up.
24 - 21 Gamecocks.
Optimistic: Another team tries to stop Trask's passing attack and underestimates his ability to spread the ball around and we manage to exploit their defense's weakness -- the passing threat. We find the matchups and just drive the ball at will.
35 - 10 Gators.
Realistic: Muschamp does all that he can to shorten the game and keep our offense off of the field, this keeps the game close for the first half and allows his team to stay in the game. We give the ball away one or two times but by the end, we are able to exploit the weaknesses of his team and beat them comfortably.
31 - 14.
SCAR Weaknesses: Offensive creativity/conservatism, pass defense.
Florida Weaknesses: Offensive QB juggling, Offensive Line, Pass Defense.
I watched the Kentucky, Georgia and Alabama games.
You guys know what comes first: QBs.
Ryan Hilinski - He's the type of guy that guys like Kirby and Muschamp love. Low maintenance, makes good decisions and is able to make plays under duress. I really don't see any holes in his game so far, because he seems just a naturally gifted player who Muschamp stumbled into. That being said...
I don't think he should play this Saturday because of his knee. Muschamp will likely trot him out there, but the last time Muschamp said he was "okay", he was clearly not okay and was limping all over the field. I don't think his knee is okay and I think we should prepare for his backup, Dakereon Joyner.
Dakereon is a lot like Treon Harris -- fast, not a great passer but can make you pay with his legs. He was also being utilized as a receiver and recently switched over. Game planning for him should be relatively easy as it means you just up the pressure.
Either way, we will go after these quarterbacks knowing that Hilinski will likely be hobbled (he still isn't 100% at practice yet) and Dakereon isn't a great passer.
Kyle Trask - I'm feeling more and more confident in his ability to move the ball and find the right receivers. As long as teams get called for defensive holding going forward, I think he can make them pay. (Even with the mauling last Saturday he managed to throw for over 300 yards in Death Valley.) Atmosphere will not affect him. Trask is improving as well, having managed his pocket awareness much better and avoided fumbles in the previous game.
His lone interception came off of a rather blatant defensive holding that forced him to go to his second read over the middle as well as a poorly timed switcheroo at the Quarterback position.
I hope see a lot less of Emory Jones going forward.
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SCAR's Offense: Pretty simplistic and a lot of times kind of annoying. They take shots every now and again but it's very vanilla. An occasional sprinkle of a reverse or jet-sweep but for the most part it's slants and swing passes with a power running look. They are good, though, especially with Hilinski but I think we will be able to shut them down.
Florida's Offense: Hard to know at this point since our rushing attack has been so abysmal. We did see some new looks last week, including a healthy dose of Emory Jones but I don't feel like we need to roll out packages with him as often as we did last game. As I've pointed out before, Kyle Trask went 4/5 for 3 touchdowns in the Red Zone. He moved the team to the Red Zone six times last game.
Put the ball in his hands and let 'er rip.
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SCAR Defense: A lot of people have fond memories of Muschamp's defenses but I mostly remember games like Alabama going for 500 yards against us, Louisville carving us up in the Sugar Bowl without breaking a sweat and Georgia Southern beating us in The Swamp without completing a pass.
His defense is horrendous regarding discipline. His players are routinely out of position and seem to over-commit to a lot of different looks. Most deceptive plays catch them off-guard whether it be a simple play action or a more complicated reverse, they seem to always be oblivious that a team might not be doing what they are showing.
Similarly, their tackling was absolutely abysmal vs. several teams and excruciating at times since they let teams move down the field a lot and simply hoped to hold them to a field goal every drive. They don't like giving up big plays and are beaten quite extensively when they try to blitz.
Florida's Defense: After last Saturday, it's hard to have faith in them -- however, LSU is likely the best offense we will face all year. They have a legitimate QB (as I predicted in the last thread) and as we know Grantham suffers mightily against pocket-passing Quarterbacks who can pre-snap read the defense. That being said, I think we will fix a lot of errors this week.
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Prediction:
Pessimistic: Once again our offensive line fails to establish a running game and our one-dimensional offense commits several turnovers from chaos plays. The Gamecocks keep it close and the game is decided at the end by a field goal -- just as Muschamp drew it up.
24 - 21 Gamecocks.
Optimistic: Another team tries to stop Trask's passing attack and underestimates his ability to spread the ball around and we manage to exploit their defense's weakness -- the passing threat. We find the matchups and just drive the ball at will.
35 - 10 Gators.
Realistic: Muschamp does all that he can to shorten the game and keep our offense off of the field, this keeps the game close for the first half and allows his team to stay in the game. We give the ball away one or two times but by the end, we are able to exploit the weaknesses of his team and beat them comfortably.
31 - 14.
SCAR Weaknesses: Offensive creativity/conservatism, pass defense.
Florida Weaknesses: Offensive QB juggling, Offensive Line, Pass Defense.
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Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:32 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
We need Emory in the red zone. The use of Emory in the first half against LSU was perfect.
2nd half not so much.
If Hilinski is truly 100% this is going to be a very scary game.
I think something like 27-17 but I wouldn’t be shocked at all if this goes into OT.
2nd half not so much.
If Hilinski is truly 100% this is going to be a very scary game.
I think something like 27-17 but I wouldn’t be shocked at all if this goes into OT.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 10:50 am to boXerrumble
I'm at 27-17 as well
Fun fact
USCe hasn't score over 24 vs anyone but Charleston
We haven't scored under that all year.
In the end. We are a substantially better team, it's just in a bad part of the schedule.
27-17. Close till the fourth we put it away.
Fun fact
USCe hasn't score over 24 vs anyone but Charleston
We haven't scored under that all year.
In the end. We are a substantially better team, it's just in a bad part of the schedule.
27-17. Close till the fourth we put it away.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 12:16 pm to Gatorbait2008
31-14
Posted on 10/16/19 at 12:47 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Just win baby!
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:08 pm to boXerrumble
Im ok with using Jones, but if he’s used to run 90% of the time he will be less effective. Let him pass more. Even in the red zone.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:55 pm to boXerrumble
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We need Emory in the red zone. The use of Emory in the first half against LSU was perfect.
It wasn't though. He very nearly threw a pick that Perine had to basically snatch out of the hands of the opponent.
We went 4 for 4 in the Red Zone regarding touchdowns, every single one was a passing touchdown. I would understand if our numbers weren't heavily favoring one side but in the end:
Our power rushing offense is non-existent.
It's not working.
It will not work all year. It did not work against Towson, it did not work against Tennessee, it did not work against UT Martin -- it is broken. Period. With Emory, without Emory.
Unless they drastically change the packages and how we use Emory it seems stupid to risk him with injury by throwing him at opposing defenses. Franks is the second Mullen Quarterback in three seasons to have his foot turned around backwards and we have two Quarterbacks.
It's time to let Trask take this offense and team and give him 90% of the snaps. This is the best Quarterback in the country sharing snaps (He's third in the SEC for Quarterback Rating and fourth in Total QBR - Yahoo and ESPN respectively) and really unless he is struggling mightily there is no reason to get him out of his rhythm.
Put Emory in to start drives, not end them.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:52 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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It wasn't though. He very nearly threw a pick that Perine had to basically snatch out of the hands of the opponent.
Your usually spot on with QB stuff but this is a bad take.
It’s 4th and goal. He was getting pressured from the start of the snap.
He threw it up and gave his guys a chance. Not much else he could’ve done.
For the record, I do agree that Trask should get 90% of the snaps, but I still think Jones in the red zone is a viable weapon.
I actually completely disagree with Jones starting drives. Every time Jones has started a drive, UF has gone nowhere.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:06 pm to boXerrumble
Both had good n bad passes. Emory threw the ball up under pressure where Dan said the wrs ran the wrong routes so the play was doomed from the snap but luckily went our way. Then the drop by Pitts, yes he was hit but im in the camp where it hits your hands...
Trask had a few off passes and a dropped pick and a puck called back on a low hit.
Yes, Trask should be the man, but Im all for sprinkling Emory in also. Noone said a word when it worked, like anything else lol
Trask had a few off passes and a dropped pick and a puck called back on a low hit.
Yes, Trask should be the man, but Im all for sprinkling Emory in also. Noone said a word when it worked, like anything else lol
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:32 pm to dbuchanon
Depending on how the rest of the season plays out, I can see both Trask and Franks declaring. Especially if we win a big time bowl.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 5:36 pm to finchmeister08
I don’t see Trask leaving.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 6:27 pm to boXerrumble
Is Trask a senior class wise or a grad student?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:01 pm to bigDgator
Grad student I think. He’s a RS Junior but based on everything he’s said and how Mullen has talked about him, id be shocked if he leaves early.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:30 pm to boXerrumble
His draft stock will continue to go up if he continues to play like he did against LSU.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:30 pm to boXerrumble
Straws Muschamp didn't "luck" into Hilinski...he was very highly recruited...Im surprised he picked USCe but maybe he was thinking next year the start9ing position would be his.
Thank God its a day game early.
Thank God its a day game early.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:34 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I’ll pick Gators “Realistic Prediction” for $500 Alex
Posted on 10/16/19 at 11:45 pm to real_gator8
Alright so I have a lot to respond to.
Box: Emory did not offer anything in the Red Zone that Trask didn't end up cleaning up anyway. As I said, Trask was 4/5 for 3 touchdowns in the End Zone and one interception that was likely caused by having him come out of the game then rush back in, get a play, read the defense and try to do everything under pressure when it's unnecessary.
I'm just not sure Emory Jones brings much to the table that we couldn't already have done without him if we have Red Zone Quarterbacking like that already.
You completely missed the point. I'm not saying he was lucky to get Hilinski, I was saying that he's lucky that the kid requires zero maintenance. Some Quarterbacks are just ready to go the day they step on campus (Fromm, Tua, Lawrence, Will Grier etc. etc..)
Most Quarterbacks take a while to develop and it, of course, is pretty difficult.
Franks will likely transfer before he declares, and I'd be shocked if he was able to put up the numbers to actually declare. Someone might take a chance on him but his stock wasn't improved earlier in the year, he was still making some pretty basic mistakes for a two year starter.
Trask doesn't seem like a dream chaser to me and I've never seen the "Alpha" mentality with him. Mullen could probably talk him into staying by just giving him a nudge and a "Come on buddy" and he'll be back.
Emory Jones is not Tim Tebow, he really doesn't offer us anything outside of what Franks was offering us. The teams go to one on one matchups outside and just dare him to throw and if we're unwilling to let him run the offense as it's meant to be run, then leave him on the sideline.
It's not that I don't think Emory is a good Quarterback, it's that I don't think:
1. Trask is struggling enough to warrant using a dual-QB system. Mullen said we're doing it to take some pressure off of Trask's shoulders but Trask has never looked like he's buckled under the pressure -- quite the opposite.
2. Emory Jones offers enough of a change of pace to risk getting Trask out of his rhythm. It's nice because we can run the ball here and there, but it's also kind of stupid because if Emory were to get run on a QB Draw we'd literally be down to one scholarship QB.
In the end, we need to just roll with Trask and leave it at that. Emory will get his time, but he needs to be patient.
Box: Emory did not offer anything in the Red Zone that Trask didn't end up cleaning up anyway. As I said, Trask was 4/5 for 3 touchdowns in the End Zone and one interception that was likely caused by having him come out of the game then rush back in, get a play, read the defense and try to do everything under pressure when it's unnecessary.
I'm just not sure Emory Jones brings much to the table that we couldn't already have done without him if we have Red Zone Quarterbacking like that already.
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Straws Muschamp didn't "luck" into Hilinski.
You completely missed the point. I'm not saying he was lucky to get Hilinski, I was saying that he's lucky that the kid requires zero maintenance. Some Quarterbacks are just ready to go the day they step on campus (Fromm, Tua, Lawrence, Will Grier etc. etc..)
Most Quarterbacks take a while to develop and it, of course, is pretty difficult.
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Trask and Franks may declare.
Franks will likely transfer before he declares, and I'd be shocked if he was able to put up the numbers to actually declare. Someone might take a chance on him but his stock wasn't improved earlier in the year, he was still making some pretty basic mistakes for a two year starter.
Trask doesn't seem like a dream chaser to me and I've never seen the "Alpha" mentality with him. Mullen could probably talk him into staying by just giving him a nudge and a "Come on buddy" and he'll be back.
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Emory Jones and stalling at the beginning of drives.
Emory Jones is not Tim Tebow, he really doesn't offer us anything outside of what Franks was offering us. The teams go to one on one matchups outside and just dare him to throw and if we're unwilling to let him run the offense as it's meant to be run, then leave him on the sideline.
It's not that I don't think Emory is a good Quarterback, it's that I don't think:
1. Trask is struggling enough to warrant using a dual-QB system. Mullen said we're doing it to take some pressure off of Trask's shoulders but Trask has never looked like he's buckled under the pressure -- quite the opposite.
2. Emory Jones offers enough of a change of pace to risk getting Trask out of his rhythm. It's nice because we can run the ball here and there, but it's also kind of stupid because if Emory were to get run on a QB Draw we'd literally be down to one scholarship QB.
In the end, we need to just roll with Trask and leave it at that. Emory will get his time, but he needs to be patient.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 7:41 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
His almost pick was fourth and goal he made the right decision to toss it up instead of eat a sack.
As for starting a drive. He did and it didnt go well lol.
The power run was actually okay vs LSU. Okay as in it got about 3-4 yards a carry. Which sadly...we will take at this point. Perine has done better breaking free a little more too which is nice.
As for starting a drive. He did and it didnt go well lol.
The power run was actually okay vs LSU. Okay as in it got about 3-4 yards a carry. Which sadly...we will take at this point. Perine has done better breaking free a little more too which is nice.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 10:35 am to Gatorbait2008
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His almost pick was fourth and goal he made the right decision to toss it up instead of eat a sack.
There were plenty of other safe places to put the ball on the play -- really in either direction rather than just heaving it. We were just fortunate that our guys were stronger than theirs.
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As for starting a drive. He did and it didnt go well lol.
Then he shouldn't be playing at all. It's nice to get him reps but give them to him when the game isn't on the line. Trask has been more than serviceable.
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The power run was actually okay vs LSU. Okay as in it got about 3-4 yards a carry.
3 is bad, 4 is not even okay. That's pretty abysmal. Most of our rush yards this year, also, are in the 4th quarter in games that have already been decided.
I think at this point it's time to give up the power rushing attack and opt for something more spread out so that we can rely on our athletes instead of our OL.
We know we have world class receivers, they should be utilized more often. I'm sure Perine also prefers 1 on 1 on the outside rather than getting blown up at the line.
Posted on 10/19/19 at 5:57 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
This another game where it comes down to our O-line vs there D-line and I think with the rain it may help our running game for once heck we know we can't run the ball when its dry so maybe in the rain our O line might get a push nothing else has worked so why not try adding a wet field
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