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Posted on 12/9/23 at 2:27 pm to
Posted by dbuchanon
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Posted on 12/9/23 at 2:27 pm to
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Making decisions that he should've made after his first year

Like what?

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while losing games

Not saying much, got our arse handed to us by Samford the yr prior. Ppl acting like there was a shred of talent left by Mullen is hilarious.

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big time players

lol Name them, please. ETN is the only big loss so far and he's not what everyone makes him out to be

IDC is Billy stays or goes at this point, but lets stop the bullshite that this team has been anywhere close to good the last 3-4 yrs
This post was edited on 12/9/23 at 2:32 pm
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
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Posted on 12/9/23 at 2:34 pm to
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Like what?

I do think he should have hired an OC after year 1.
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 12/9/23 at 2:44 pm to
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I do think he should have hired an OC after year 1.



Team didnt score later with MUllen and now Billy.

Yes, there were questionable calls, but sooner or later we gotta look in the mirror and admit we are straight arse at a certain position group where calling Play A instead of Play B wouldve made a difference. OL cant hold a block or a pocket to save their asses.
Every team doing well has an OL thats serviceable
This post was edited on 12/9/23 at 2:47 pm
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
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Posted on 12/9/23 at 2:53 pm to
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Team didnt score later with MUllen and now Billy.

Yes, there were questionable calls, but sooner or later we gotta look in the mirror and admit we are straight arse at a certain position group where calling Play A instead of Play B wouldve made a difference. OL cant hold a block or a pocket to save their asses.


The offensive output isn't why I primarily want Napier to get an OC.

His playcalling in big games isn't great, but I believe that he needs to focus on big picture issues as an HC more than spending so much time as an OC/playcaller, especially since he isn't particularly amazing at it. He isn't as terrible as some say imo, but he is not good enough at it to devote time and energy towards it that he should be using to be a CEO type of HC.
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 2:59 pm to
Im just saying until we address the elephant in the room that is our trenches, we can hire / fire coaches every season, it wont matter.

I cant remember it being this bad
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
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Posted on 12/9/23 at 3:01 pm to
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Im just saying until we address the elephant in the room that is our trenches, we can hire / fire coaches every season, it wont matter.

I cant remember it being this bad


I do agree with that completely. Napier is not getting it done, but it's tiring hearing all these Florida "fans" saying that we need to hire Jedd Fisch as if he'll magically fix our problems.

I do like Fisch for the record, but don't believe he'd be doing much better, if at all, than Napier is doing now.
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 3:04 pm to
I like a lot of names mentioned for potential HC, but like you said theres no overnight fix here at this time.

As OC's are concerned. I like Korn's Spread Option attack, I think Lagway would be a beast in it, but if we cant hold a block that poor kid is gonna run for his life.

Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 12/9/23 at 5:38 pm to
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Like what?


What he should be doing - he will only hire an OC.

1. Hiring a dedicated OC - when you can't generate consistent offense with a top 5 pick, you have a problem.
2. Replacing the S&C coordinator - It was clear the team looked soft 2-3 games into the season, especially in 2nd halves - everyone could see it.
3. No dedicated Special Teams coach - who the hell in CFB does this?
4. 2 OL coaches? That did what exactly? An OL coach that in name only was an OC? When you have 2 coaches, you have no coaches.
5. Dedicated time management personell - the fact that we have a zillion people on this staff with the time management issues we have without having a dedicated person(s) for this is inexcusable.

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Not saying much, got our arse handed to us by Samford the yr prior. Ppl acting like there was a shred of talent left by Mullen is hilarious.


247 Talent Composite had us in the top 15 in the entire country prior to the 2022 season. I don't think you want to know the teams behind us.

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lol Name them, please. ETN is the only big loss so far and he's not what everyone makes him out to be

IDC is Billy stays or goes at this point, but lets stop the bullshite that this team has been anywhere close to good the last 3-4 yrs


ETN, McClellan, Norman, Douglas, Princely are all HUGE losses given the current state of Florida's roster.
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
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Posted on 12/9/23 at 5:44 pm to
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No dedicated Special Teams coach - who the hell in CFB does this?

Quite a few coaches actually

Not that I like it, but it's surprisingly more common than you think.

Special teams coordinator? Lincoln Riley doesn’t believe in a dedicated one for USC


UCLA Football: Chip Kelly Dismisses Idea of a Dedicated Special Teams Coach

Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
52280 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 5:50 pm to
I didn't realize that it was more common than I thought, but I still think someone that is supposedly as detailed as Napier is, can't focus all of their energy on every single little thing when it comes to game day prep and game day coaching.

Having no special teams coach does not help him in that regard.
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
6146 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 6:10 pm to
I do agree overall. Maybe it wouldn't be a big deal if our special teams unit wasn't a complete dumpster fire this season.

But I just had to point that out since I was thinking what you were thinking and went down a rabbit hole and found out that quite a few coaches actually do it as well.

It's worth noting that Riley also got a lot of heat for USC's ST play this year, on top of the defensive woes, OL issues, and their suspect S&C.

Basically, they're having a lot of the same issues Napier is having here. That doesn't excuse Napier one bit, but it's funny to see it.
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
6146 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 6:19 pm to
If the 2024 class falls apart, with LJ and X and Hayes flipping, I say fire Napier now and go out and hire Lane.
Posted by AlbinoGator
Member since Oct 2016
2091 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 6:20 pm to
There are alot of issues to be fixed on this coaching staff
First we need a real S&C coordinator
We need 1 O-line Coach and a OC. Not 2 online coaches
definitely need a Special Teams coordinator
Billy needs to be the head coach and pay attention to all detail!!
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
6146 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 6:24 pm to
There are tons of issues. If Napier can keep the class together he should get a chance to try to fix them. If the class falls apart, I really don't see what the point in keeping him would be.
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
52280 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 6:26 pm to
Hes not going anywhere this year unless this class falls apart in 2 weeks.

I just have little confidence that he lasts all of next year given the schedule and the overall body of work that we've seen from his coaching.
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 6:31 pm to
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when you can't generate consistent offense with a top 5 pick,


Stopped taking seriously right about here.

We all know AR was drafted because he threw far and did a backflip at the combine, not for his production hitting half his passes

This lie works with ppl who didn’t watch him airmail balls every game.

And for the love of God, stop with team comp rankings. You can skew this number by having 4 top WRs ect. Doesn’t mean your TEAM is balanced talent wise.
Getting pushed around by Samford, USF and Charlotte should’ve opened some eyes but…

This post was edited on 12/9/23 at 6:41 pm
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 6:48 pm to
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Douglas,

133 yards receiving for the season.

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McClellan

.5 sacks on the season

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Norman

Did he play?

Princely had very few big play moments vs good teams and took plays off in moments we needed him to be a game changer ie Mizzou 4th and long
4.5 sacks vs SEC, 2.5 came against Arkansas
1 vs Mizz and 1 vs SC.
Zero vs the good Conf teams

Like I said, no huge losses for the most part.
This post was edited on 12/9/23 at 6:59 pm
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
6146 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 11:52 pm to
A week or so from ESD and still no DL coach announced. Not even any substantial rumored targets?

Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
35702 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 11:53 pm to
i hope the journalists lay into him.


where are the coaches?

what's with the portal?

what the hell are y'all doing?

This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 11:57 pm
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 11:55 pm to
I don’t get it either

You’d think a guy whos possibly on the block would move quick to land some big hires and gain some favor

Unless he’s packing already
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