re: Frost may be the number one guy according to some sources around the interwebs...

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Kiffin couldn't get it done anywhere.

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No idea why he's even being mentioned. Fired from three out of four jobs and fricked over Tennessee. He's a proven distraction.

Frost is a gamble, but all hires are -- period. No one would have really given Meyer a chance by this metric. What, he was successful at Utah and had a wonky offense? Big deal.

We have to take risks, and if we're going to take one it goes like this:

If it isn't Mullen, who actually is a proven coach -- it needs to be Frost.

Kiffin is a retard who Tweets a lot of bullshite, brings a lot of attention and controversy. Strong is good, I'd take him if we could, maybe we do, maybe we don't. Kelly and Stoops are great, but getting their feet moving is pretty difficult and very expensive. Taggart isn't a good coach, he's decent but not what we need. Norvell is decent but not what we need.

For me, it's Frost or Mullen, and if we can't bring Mullen on home then let's take a shot with Frost -- if he's allowed to run his offense.

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Frost is a gamble, but all hires are -- period. No one would have really given Meyer a chance by this metric.

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So you want to gamble with UF football?

All hires are NOT gambles. Are you nuts? What metric are you using? I gave you my metrics but you obviously weren't paying attention. Meyer was the best hire in school history. He turned around 2 different bad teams. Utah was already playing P5 talent so he checked that box.

Utah played key out-of-conference games against Texas A&M, Arizona, and North Carolina, and they won every game by at least two touchdowns (14 points). After completing an undefeated season, Utah became the first team from a non-automatically qualifying BCS conference to play in a BCS bowl. The Utes played Big East Conference champion Pittsburgh in the 2005 Fiesta Bowl, winning 35–7. The Utes finished the season ranked #4 in the AP poll.

Meyer's teams played P5 teams and beat the shite out of them. He turned Alex Smith into a long term NFL QB. Who the hell is Frost turning into NFL prospects? Who the frick has UCF played? If this guy was beating quality P5 teams that would be one thing but HE HAS NOT BEATEN ONE QUALITY OPPONENT. NOT ONE... And you want to gamble with that?

So Strong and Kiffin have failed P-5 experience yet you give them a pass because they were in tough situations? I couldn’t disagree with you more. I like Charlie and will totally support him if hired. OTOH, I will root for us to lose every game by 50 points if we hire shite for brains Kiffin. He is a 12 year old playing PlayStation.

Whether you like it or not or would be honest to admit it. Kiffin turned around Oakland. He also turned around UT and USC. He took Bama to the title game, they got rid of him and they lost. Coincidence??? He has now taken an FAU team into conference contenders.

I get it that you don't like him. I'm not sure why because we haven't had to deal with him outside of him having beef with Urban Meyer which was all staged IMO. Other's don't like him either. I get that. But have you looked at Spurrier's career? Spurrier did not get along with John Mckay at all. Had a lot of vocal spats until they released him. Then when he was coaching at Duke he promised to not tell his team that he took the job at UF. What does he do? He tells them before their bowl game and they proceeded to lay an egg. He left them high and dry when he came to UF. Are you going to call him a liar too? Dan Snyder called him a liar and was very contentious with him at Washington. He couldn't even pick the backup QB because Snyder was so mad at him. He was unceremoniously fired. Was that a failure? He goes to USC and some fans think he quit on the team when he left but he did turn that program around.

You cannot please everyone and you will have failures as a coach if you last long enough. Spurrier was much more hated than Kiffin ever was. He talked way more shite than Kiffin ever will. You are either too young or just not paying attention.

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Tennessee and USC -- his poor team just had bad luck before he got there.

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If you can't tell that Kiffin turned UT and USC around then that's a "You" problem. You also liked Muschamp and McElwain, when I mentioned in these forums years before both got fired that they were bad hires. I said after Mac's 1st year that he sucked but you threw him winning the SECe in my face. You were backing Champ to the bitter end. You were backing McElwain just 2 weeks ago. Maybe your compass is off???

Can Frost recruit?

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You were backing Champ to the bitter end.

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You're out of your goddamn mind. I was against Muschamp since the very first year. I hated Muschamp, and I got a lot of shite on the ESPN Florida board for it.

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You were backing McElwain just 2 weeks ago.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy

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If you can't tell that Kiffin turned UT and USC around then that's a "You" problem.

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Wrong.

He didn't do anything. He had one good year at USC (the only school he's been at for more than a year) and was getting his skull caved in after that one good year.

He was fired after Arizona State put up 62 points on USC in his last year.

62.

He's been to four schools as a coach.

1.2 years for Oakland.

1 Year for Tennessee.

3.2 years for USC. (His second firing in the middle of a season.)

1 Year for Bama. (And he got fired before the National Championship.)

Maybe you just don't understand irony? That getting rid of a coach for being so bad in the middle of the season isn't a good preface for hiring a guy who has literally been fired in a season three times over the last four jobs???

Maybe, after four jobs, it isn't the schools being unfair to him?

Maybe he's just a piece of shite?

Also: I'd like to say again.

Find one positive post I've made about Muschamp, and never lie again.

So you didn't like Meyer who brought us 2 titles. Talk about ungrateful UF fans...

and you're trying to tell me that Saban was a gamble at Alabama? Wow. He lost to LA Monroe in his first year while rebuilding the team and you want to lambaste him? Good grief? Now if he was losing to LA Monroe in his 3rd year that would be concerning. A good coach should be making a team better, not worst. You should see improvement as the season progresses, not get worst.

Do you really think Urban Meyer would be a gamble if he came back to UF? Do you really think Saban, Harbaugh, Stoops, Strong, Dabo, Dantonio, Dan Mullen, James Franklin, Mark Richt, Mike Leach, Bobby Petrino, Mike Gundy, Gary Patterson, David Shaw, Chris Petersen, Pat Fitzgerald, David Cutcliffe, Derek Mason, etc., wouldn't have success here?

You have to pretty much suck to not succeed at UF. You have to really suck to not be able to recruit at UF. How many teams do UF play that have better athletes than UF? LSU, FSU and maybe UGA are about even with UF in talent but a good coach should be out recruiting all these opponents. 8 times out of 10, a coach here will have better athletes lining up against opponents. You mean to tell me that these coaches above couldn't do more with the talent UF gets?

Now, we probably can't get half the guys on the list but I would contact every one of them before my list of unproven guys.

I never lambasted Saban...that would be silly..just pointed out that he struggled his first year at Bama. Meyer won with Zooks players...who were all young as hell when Zook struggled at UF. Again...look at Meyers first year..we were blasted by Bama with Debose as HC there.

My assertion is that hiring HCs is never a sure thing, that's all I'm doing. Frost fits the profile of someone on the cusp of being a very very good HC at a major program.

Imo...Mac wasn't fired without AD doing some due diligence even beforehand about HC prospects...I state this because the relationship had already soured imo weeks before the agreed departure. A rather telling sign is the presser by Stricklin when he was asked about hiring a search firm and he said no.

This is speculation on my part, but I think UF already had received high interest in the job by at least one or two candidates before Mac & UF parted ways. It would not surprise me if Stricklin already has his coach in his hip pocket.