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StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
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My opinion has nothing to do with a pod cast or what someone said. Clemson gets highly ranked kids at skill positions.. it's not all about class rank. Class rank can be skewed by the number of kids you take.


Well I mean, that's what the entire thread is about. The whole point is that people freaking out about not having a top 5 class aren't being reasonable.


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slayerxing
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re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
Mullen has me believing for sure. Think it’ll take him a couple of years to really restock the team. We’ll see how he closes this year. The schedule next years pretty rough. Hopefully by 2020 he has us back in Atlanta and Saban is retired.


Gatorbait2008
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re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
This class certainly isn’t great but Mullen has filled needs well. Three very good linebackers, a good QB, and a good DT to sure up the most immediate needs. Landing Steele will be a huge get for sure if we get him.


slayerxing
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re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
I hate that excuse. We said the same shite about Mac. Gotta fill needs with good players not just warm bodies. Like I said we’ll see how he closes.


StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
It's a outrageous success if Steele/Elam come since we have 3 top 150 linebackers coming in at the same time. Anything after that is kind of just icing on the cake.

The entire line is almost set, and holy frick if he can do what he did with his own players for 3 - 4 years like he did with McElwain's for less than a year, I'm sold.

Pass protection has been outstanding, literally a full upgrade.

My most pressing concerns, in no particular order:

DL
DB
WR

(as of today).


dbuchanon
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re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
Got a DE transfer baws!


reel_gator8
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re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
We need OL.


StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
Flipped a Miami recruit. OL.
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StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
Fiiiiiiii fyyyyyy foooooo fum.

I got some shite to talk.


reel_gator8
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re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
I don't give a good damn about rankings...screw that. Do something with them when they step on campus.


olemc999
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re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
Gotte be good at both imo but coaching and development leads to wins and better recruits signing up down the road.


Themole
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Member since Feb 2013
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re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
OkefenokeeKid, what town are you in? I was once a Swamper too. Born in Woodbine, lived in Folkston and Fargo before moving to Fl. in the 50s.


StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
I'm not making an argument that you don't need to recruit well. What bothered me is that these guys were on a podcast saying that the only way to win a National Championship is if you're raking in top 5 classes -- which is basically fomenting a reason for Gator fans to be unhappy with Mullen's results.

Obviously Mullen doesn't give a shite if we're happy with his recruiting, but it just seemed like they were jumping the gun with several ideas and trying to cash in on the negative aspect of recruiting because people were uncertain.

They said that you needed top 5 classes to win National Championships.

Clemson has never had one.

They said that on August 1st, it will mirror what we should have for the Blue Chip %.


It was 25%, right now we're looking at finishing at something like 65 - 70%.


olemc999
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re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
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the only way to win a National Championship is if you're raking in top 5 classes


Yeah those podcast guys are full of shite. Clemson’s best class in the last 4 years is ranked 7th. Clemson averages a 10.75 ranking in the last 4 years.

Their last 4 classes in the last 4 years have been...

2015 - 9
2016 - 11
2017 - 16
2018 - 7

Dabo just sodomized Saban who’s last 4 classes have been ranked...

2015 - 1
2016 - 1
2017 - 1
2018 - 5

Thats a average of 2 over the last 4 years.

Simply put great coaching with good talent beats great talent with good coaching.

Now that we have the AP top 25 rankings in I am working on tabulating the numbers to unveil my college coach grading system. I will be doing the SEC and a special Dabo vs Saban and Mullen vs Smart breakdown to start off with. Then every day after that I will do a power 5 conference then the group of 5 conferences and then the independents. Followed by a top 25 of best coaches of 2018. Then a complete list of 1-130.

Think of this as sort of a BCS type system to grade a coaches performance on the field relative to the talent he has on the team. It will have outliers and minor flaws but overall it’s a solid system I have come up with.

I came up with this concept years ago when Zook was getting top 5 classes and could only get 8 wins and then Urban inherits that talent and proceeds to win 9 games first year followed by 13 and a natty the next year.
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finchmeister08
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re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
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before moving to Fl. in the 50s.

damn, you almost as old at reel and matt?


Themole
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Palatka Florida
Member since Feb 2013
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re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
damn, you almost as old at reel and matt?

71 in April.

Trying to see if OkefenokeeKid, and I, are related. My roots run deep in that part of the country (1734) on the north and south shores of the ST.Mary's River.


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StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Florida Fan
Mexico City, Mexico.
Member since Sep 2013
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re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
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Yeah those podcast guys are full of shite. Clemson’s best class in the last 4 years is ranked 7th. Clemson averages a 10.75 ranking in the last 4 years.


Bill Sikes deleting his Twitter to pursue other things just made me horse laugh because i made the exact goddamn same argument as you just did. It is clear that elite recruiting is not necessary to win championships. It helps a lot, sure, but they were making it seem like it was something rarer than it was. Auburn also won a National Championship with almost no top ten classes, let alone top five.

Similarly, you can see last night how an elite team is against elite players.

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Think of this as sort of a BCS type system to grade a coaches performance on the field relative to the talent he has on the team.


I've been wanting to see something that was more contextually connected -- and something that can adjust for 'style'. Missouri has had our number, and I want to see why. I'm assuming that your formula will probably account for those types of things as well? Anomalies?


reel_gator8
Florida Fan
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Member since May 2012
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re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
When Miamuh was destroying teams back in early 2000s (including us) and winning NC along the way....they did so with very average recruiting.

There are other teams who did the same thing. Now...its different slightly in the age of constant media attention and recruiting has become ruthless and fans are blinded by rankings and bling bling. They don't have clues who committed...they just want to be at the top in rankings.



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olemc999
Florida Fan
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re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
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assuming that your formula will probably account for those types of things as well? Anomalies?


Unfortunately no. It’s strictly a grading system on how a coach performs relative to the talent on his team. I never intended it to forecast future games. I have come up with a formula during bowl season based off of the coaching grades vs the point spread to predict if the teams would cover the spread. The formula got 6/7 covers correct but only 4/7 win/loss predictions correct.

In my equation for example it said that Clemson would win the game by 30.5 therefore...

Vegas Spread - Bama -5
olemc999 spread - Clemson -30.5

Therefore you bet Clemson to cover.

My formula said Clemson wins by 30.5
Clemson won by 28.

A flaw to this is that it only really works in bowl games when you have a full season of data to go off of.


StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Florida Fan
Mexico City, Mexico.
Member since Sep 2013
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re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
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Vegas Spread - Bama -5 olemc999 spread - Clemson -30.5 Therefore you bet Clemson to cover. My formula said Clemson wins by 30.5 Clemson won by 28. A flaw to this is that it only really works in bowl games when you have a full season of data to go off of.


You could easily sell this information without a problem. Especially if it's that accurate during bowl season.


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