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BloodSweat&Beers
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One Particular Harbor, Fl
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re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
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Spurrier also developed his players. I never heard about him winning recruiting titles while at Florida. He got the best out of his players.

I see Mullen doing the same thing. Makes me very hopeful.


I agree that Mullen and Spurrier are very similar.

Batesy said that his class or the class after them was the #1 recruiting class in the nation.

That was the exception rather than the rule. Despite Spurrer being labeled a bad recruiter, he could win some battles. Clowney is a great example, everyone and their brother were after him.



tjv305
Florida Fan
Member since May 2015
7722 posts

re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
Georgia is showing everybody if you can match Bama’s talent then they are beatable. Hopefully we can get our recruiting back to where it was with Meyer.


GATORGAR247
Member since Aug 2017
677 posts

re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
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Georgia is showing everybody if you can match Bama’s talent then they are beatable. Hopefully we can get our recruiting back to where it was with Meyer.


If we aren't willing to play the same game we will never recruit on their level. Spare me only school in Georgia etc.. the cherry pick from florida louisana etc. Which has zero to do with being the only school in Gerogia.


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StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Florida Fan
Mexico City, Mexico.
Member since Sep 2013
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re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
Citadel was tied at half.

Both Alabama and Georgia are extremely beatable, like that one time when LSU (you might have heard of them) crushed Georgia.

I trust Mullen with 4*s, if you guys need 5*s and are going to cry about it every off-season you're going to be very disappointed.

We'll get there, but I'm fine with where we are.


dbuchanon
Florida Fan
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13932 posts

re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
Watch these defenses and how they struggle with dual threat QBs... tua cant run, here comes Jalen and bam!!


StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Florida Fan
Mexico City, Mexico.
Member since Sep 2013
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re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
Just said that on Twitter.

These types of defenses cannot cover Mullen QBs and Mullen knows how to work a mobile QB who can also pass it.


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Gatorbait2008
Florida Fan
Member since Aug 2015
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re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
We still have a few five star shots unless Steele is suddenly off the table.

We do need those players though. The Tebows, Harvins, etc. We don't need five or six a class...but one or two we need to get marquee players that can change every game they play in(current roster Polite is one of those guys).

Get a few each class, and good pieces around them we have a title team


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jefffan
Florida Fan
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Member since Sep 2013
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re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
crushing miami and fsu next year will help matters


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GATORGAR247
Member since Aug 2017
677 posts

re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
Straws I don't think calling out the obvious is "crying about it." Dan is a good coach. But recruiting or lack of has ruined good coaches. To me this is like the sunshine pumping in macs first year. I could tell half way through the season he wasn't gonna make it because the team never improved. To get over the Marc Richt at Gerogia hump you have to recruit top 5 classes. More importantly you have to recruit highly ranked kids. Imo individual ranking trumps class ranking. Dan will get us there. His 20 class is already filling out. He was at a disadvantage being away from florida for so long.. go gators.
This post was edited on 12/1 at 7:06 pm


dbuchanon
Florida Fan
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re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
Our new croot already crootin a local 5 star for us


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StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Florida Fan
Mexico City, Mexico.
Member since Sep 2013
19252 posts

re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
If Dan Mullen can get top 12 classes, he will win a championship. He does not need 5 or better. It would be nice, but Dan, the complete opposite of McElwain, has shown that his teams do get better, and that they don't quit.

And yes, bitching about top 5 classes like Dan Mullen is supposed to fix a 10 year problem in 10 months is absolutely stupid. He doesn't need top 5 recruiting classes, he just needs to get players who actually fit his model and he's already well on his way to doing that.
This post was edited on 12/1 at 7:11 pm


GATORGAR247
Member since Aug 2017
677 posts

re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
We'll see..
This post was edited on 12/1 at 7:19 pm


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tjv305
Florida Fan
Member since May 2015
7722 posts

re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
So who is the last 2 teams to win national championships with out averaging top 5 or even top 10 classes ? I am not crying about our recruiting now because Mullen has some rebuilding to . But if we want to win national championships we have to recruit a lot better. Bama and Georgia seem to be top 5 every year. Do you even watch Bama , Georgia and Clemson play ?


reel_gator8
Florida Fan
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
10566 posts

re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
I will point out (again) we need solid, rock solid DLs and OLs...2019 could be a slight problem on the OL and Im hoping they improve a lot by the AU game.


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StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Florida Fan
Mexico City, Mexico.
Member since Sep 2013
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re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
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So who is the last 2 teams to win national championships


Who are the last two teams to win national championships not named Alabama?

One is a team that did not recruit at an elite level, the other is a team that did.

So if you take out the anomaly, the parity is there.

It's not about beating elite recruiting teams -- it's about beating Alabama and by extension Georgia. We literally hit every single thing we needed for our Head Coach to do that.

1. Spread offense.

Teams that have beaten Alabama in the last 7 years:

Ole Miss (x2, not an elite recruiting team)
Auburn (x2, not an elite recruiting team)
A&M (not an elite recruiting team)
Oklahoma (not an elite recruiting team at the time)
Ohio State (an elite recruiting team)
Clemson (had one top ten class leading up to their championship -- the same year)

Alabama 100% wins the championships they do because of a talent disparity but by a large margin the coaching.

Coaching lost Georgia the game today -- and he had more 5-star recruits than Saban did. Their teams are almost neck and neck.

2. A coach who is good with X's and O's.

See above. I will take A+ Gameday Coach over B- with elite recruits.

3. A coach with the ability to develop championship level Quarterbacks.

Yep. Definitely have this one. It's literally only a matter of time.

Spread offense with a great QB who is good at playcalling = more important than top 5 classes.

You asked who were the two last teams to do it: Auburn and Clemson, neither were recruiting at an elite level and both won National Championships with really good DUAL THREAT quarterbacks.

You guys want to be Georgia because of how shiny their recruits are, go be Georgia.

All them cruits and nothin' to show for it.


dbuchanon
Florida Fan
Member since Nov 2014
13932 posts

re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
We have the right HC with the right system to beat both those teams. Just need a few players to make it work


dbuchanon
Florida Fan
Member since Nov 2014
13932 posts

re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
Cats came to play! Lol


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slayerxing
Florida Fan
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
9919 posts

re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
You need good coaching and good players if you want to win the SEC.

With Saban at Alabama, you need great coaching and elite players.

UF maybe has one of those.




StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Florida Fan
Mexico City, Mexico.
Member since Sep 2013
19252 posts

re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
Good does not mean elite, I think what set me off is this idea that you absolutely, 100% need top 5 classes.

If Clemson wins this next National Championship, it would mean that a team without elite recruits has won it twice in CFP.

Even if Clemson just gets to the Championship game, it still kind of throws water on the argument that you need elite talent to win it all. Just being represented, for me, would be enough in the next three years.

1. I'm not saying we shouldn't recruit elite, I'm saying that we need to be patient.

2. I'm also not saying stars don't matter, obviously they matter, but there are many schools who make up for this with above average coaching.

3. If Mullen can secure 12 - 8 ranked classes, I have no doubt we will be exactly where we need to be. We're going to a NY6 bowl after going 4 - 7...

And we did it with a QB like Philip Hotdogs. Just imagine, slayer. Lend me your ear.

Imagine what it'll be like to have a dual-threat QB again with a hard-nosed defense who will have depth -- blue chip depth for the next few years.

tl;dr

These wonky little bitch podcasts who get their clicks by selling 'chicken little' outlooks and getting fans riled up need to find something new to complain about.


GATORGAR247
Member since Aug 2017
677 posts

re: Elite Recruiting and why this argument bugs me.
My opinion has nothing to do with a pod cast or what someone said. Clemson gets highly ranked kids at skill positions.. it's not all about class rank. Class rank can be skewed by the number of kids you take.


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