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Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:33 am to
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:33 am to
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I'm sorry, but I can't get excited in this team with a new head coach if Franks is the QB.

Franks doesn't have it.


I was at practice last weekend and will be there again tomorrow. This may not be saying much, but Franks is just different than any other QB we have. Bigger arm, better leader, better confidence, it’s something. I was frustrating with Franks too, and this might be something that changes through spring and into fall, but I would put my chip on it being Franks. He’s just got something about him that makes you feel he’s on a higher level than the other two competing QBs.

Emory has great athleticism but is inaccurate at times due to bad footwork. Trask is accurate and has the arm but I don’t know how he reacts with bullets flying. It’s hard to explain how Franks managed to be the guy on the practice field, but I thought it was clear that Franks was the leader in the competition and I didn’t see anything that made me think Trask or Emory were on his level yet. Maybe that changes through the spring. I’m interested to see tomorrow.
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
35588 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 12:01 pm to
It’s amazing how much better Franks is playing according to sauces. Everyone is saying he’s been outstanding in the spring thus far. That’s a lot different than was being reported a year ago.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:14 pm to
If you look at videos of the practices....its easy to see the weight gain Franks has put on. He was way too skinny last year and I kept harping about it on this board.

To me its obvious Franks is the leader by a wide margin over the other QBs. Allen is not accurate, Emory ditto at times and watching Trask I see the same issues as last spring...he takes too long to get sights set on WRs and in a SEC game he would be sacked numerous times.

Nothing is etched in granite yet and even if Franks is named the starter for game one...he has to keep earning it like any other player. Just remember that Danny Heisman Wuerffel was benched during his r/s frosh year and threw a lot of picks. I wouldn't diss him at this point.
Posted by AlbinoGator
Member since Oct 2016
2091 posts
Posted on 3/24/18 at 6:59 am to
Being outstanding in the spring doesn't translate to that in the fall.

It is only spring but it's good to see the competitiveness of the quarterbacks hopefully that will get these guys better because I believe the talent is there
Posted by Muthsera
Member since Jun 2017
7319 posts
Posted on 3/24/18 at 1:42 pm to
Franks is far and away the most prepared to start the season at QB. That doesn't meant he has the most upside or will win us the most games or that he's any better than last year, just means that he will get the nod in Game 1 and things will go from there.

If we can get 7 good players on the OL and an average Florida defense, it isn't going to take a whole lot of talent or mental processing to hand the ball to Scarlett 30x a game and go 8-4. Thats about what I expect no matter who ends up at QB.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 3/24/18 at 7:46 pm to
When you look at UF from 2005-08 Mullen used a lot of screens and jailhouse breaks usually during second or third and longs to keep defenses from blitzing. Those kinda plays can create long yardage if blocked well and the OL doesn't give away the intent early.

Remember that we have talent on defense and a slight improvement on offense and special teams can mean a big difference in Ws & Ls.
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
52279 posts
Posted on 3/24/18 at 9:01 pm to
We lost to LSU, A&M, and South Carolina by a combined 11 points.

Not to mention the absurdly weird shite that happened in all 3 of those games that went against us (see the crazy INT, fumble, fumble play in the South Carolina game).

Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 3/27/18 at 12:04 pm to
I've never been confident in Franks' capacity to connect in short passing situations because I think he gets ''deer in the headlights'' at the line. You can kind of see it in one of the plays last year where he had an extremely wide open checkdown directly in front of him but elected to throw it out the field for...apparently no reason.

If we want a guy who can make short passes and move it down the field, Trask looks way more comfortable than Franks (at least in practice) and the thing is:

How long do we have to coach Franks up to be average, or even above average? Why is it okay to say Treon Harris (who had better numbers than Franks) is a Wide Receiver playing QB, or that Tim Tebow, an amazing College Quarterback should go to TE?

Honestly, the two of them looked more comfortable with Tebow excelling in every single thing other than maybe arm strength (big maybe). I think we're setting ourselves and Franks up for failure by putting more belief in him last year, and I don't think he has it, and I don't think we have the time to coach him up to average and hope to God he's above average in a few years without at least trying Trask.
Posted by SailorGator
Member since Sep 2014
1395 posts
Posted on 3/27/18 at 12:08 pm to
my hope for franks is that he had an awful year because of pressure he put on himself. maybe he has perfectionist tendencies and caves when he makes mistakes. hopefully he chalks up last year as a mental colon blow and blew all that bullshite out of his head.

just being optimistic here. i like franks as a person and as a leader from what i've seen.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 3/27/18 at 12:35 pm to
He may very well be the best that we have right now, but we need a guy who can be consistent and that is not what Franks brings to the table. I'm glad he can throw it far, but it means dick if you throw it to a guy in double coverage while another play streaks uncovered down the field.

But he's going to be the starter by virtue of us just having no one in the QB House.
Posted by SailorGator
Member since Sep 2014
1395 posts
Posted on 3/27/18 at 12:48 pm to
we'll see. i think mullen will give everyone a fair shake. will probably see at least franks and trask play this year. not sure if mullen wants jones to rshirt or not.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 3/27/18 at 5:16 pm to
Straws, glad you weren't around in 1993 judging Danny Wuerffel's acumen at QB as a r/s frosh. I think Danny did pretty fair later...no? He also struggled during r/s soph year at times....watch the AU game for reference.

I'm not saying Franks will definitely be the starter, but he has the experience and has been humbled from last year.

Wouldn't throw him away at this point. What I do like is that he has worked his butt off learning Mullen's system and has been in the weight room. He shied away from contact last year because of his slight body size...215 and 6'6" will do that. He fills out his jersey much better now.

Keep in mind a lot of folks clamoured for Emory Jones after he signed...how did that work out? Its a complicated position and Mullen will choose wisely.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 3/27/18 at 7:26 pm to
Humbled? He said Tom Brady throws interceptions, too, practically the last thing you want to see from a Quarterback who had 3 INTs and a strip-six, 24 points to the other team attributed to him.

As for Freshmen who eventually turned out alright -- Driskel had better numbers as a Sophomore. Jake Bentley crushed Franks' numbers as a True Freshman.

Treon Harris had better numbers as a True Freshman regarding turnovers.

For every success story you have, every Drew Lock or Wuerffel, I have ten players who started, sucked and changed their position. I can give several players at Florida who were terrible quarterbacks but had better years than Franks last year.

It's not about being negative, it's about nutting up and accepting that Franks looked exactly the same from game 1 to game 11.

Also, when you talk about other players like Driskel, you can see that they have skills, tools, physical capacity. You don't see that with Franks. His mechanics are bad, his vision is bad, his presence in the pocket is weak, his pocket navigation is worse, he doesn't seem to understand the defense at all, he misses wide open players, he fumbles without contact, he can't keep his focus under pressure, he doesn't know when to throw the ball away, he runs very awkwardly and is apt to fumble while on the run.

I'd give him a chance if he did one good thing at QB outside of his arm power. He doesn't have touch passes, he just...damn, guys, I'm not trying to be a debbie downer here, but we have got to get ahold of our expectations for Franks. He's a minimum two year fix to be a quarterback. Unless you guys can give me something he does fundamentally well.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 3/27/18 at 8:43 pm to
quote:

StrawsDrawnAtRandom


quote:

Unless you guys can give me something he does fundamentally well.


Okay...something he does well is get your shorts burnt Straw

I've seen plenty of bad QBs at UF during my years 1962-2017 and you must not have watched Larry Ochab (0-10-1 season) Donald Douglass or Lex Smith play. It would have made your eyes bleed. But lets not tie Franks to the whipping post...a lot of QBs take longer and need to mature and the change in HC and staff may be tonic he needs...? It may turn out you are 100% correct...but you might be 100% wrong.
This post was edited on 3/27/18 at 8:50 pm
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 3/27/18 at 11:10 pm to
I just want to hear someone, somewhere, tell me something he does well as a quarterback. I have no doubt that we can teach any man to be at least serviceable at QB, but it takes time.

People always talk about how Franks never had a real QB coach, and it just makes me wonder why we're so ready to crown him so early. He has more to prove than anyone else because we've literally seen him be a TE playing a QB for an entire year while other QBs in arguably worse systems destroy his numbers (hello, South Carolina).

I'm ready for a clean hard drive, and I think it's gonna be Trask one way or the other.
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
35588 posts
Posted on 3/27/18 at 11:28 pm to
I’m just assuming what the reporters and journalists know what they’re seeing to be improvements. And I have more faith in Mullen developing a QB than I ever had in Mac.
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 3/28/18 at 7:29 am to
quote:

just want to hear someone, somewhere, tell me something he does well as a quarterback.


I’d say his best attributes are that he is a leader, seems to be coachable, and he has a fricking rocket for an arm.

The other stuff- knowing where to go with the ball in this offense, footwork, accuracy, not turning the ball over, etc. is stuff hopefully Mullen can correct and mask as much as possible.

There’s a reason Franks was highly regarded out of high school, it was because he had the attributes and potential to develop into a big time college quarterback. Whatever Mullen makes of him, I think it’ll be the best QB Franks can be. And the rumors of him looking leaps and bounds better are true from what I saw, but just to a certain extent. He wasn’t close to where he needs to end up being, he has a lot of work to do at just not tightening up when there’s pressure on him. Maybe that’ll come with comfort in the offense.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 3/28/18 at 4:08 pm to
I have no doubt he's gonna get better, but I still think he's at least a year away and I don't think our fanbase (or myself) can stomach another year of him learning on the job. The thing that's hard to watch about him is that he really doesn't seem to like to learn, and doesn't change that much. He's always been excellent at practice, and had a fantastic Spring Game but the problem isn't these practices, it's that when the bullets fly he is well-known to panic. Not like he gets jumpy feet, but that he stops thinking.

The good things mentally for him are none.

I watched him run the play action to the wrong side of the field multiple times, line up running backs incorrectly (that telegraph to the defense what we're doing), run into sacks, throw into coverage in lieu of wide open receivers, miss wide open short passes, run out of bounds instead of throwing it away.

I'd dare say that he should take another ''redshirt'' year, because he's not doing one or two things badly, he is literally not doing anything you want from a QB mentally and at times physically with the fumbles.

That being said, if Mullen can make Franks a serviceable QB he's a great coach, if Mullen can make Franks/Trask an NFL quarterback, he is literally a god.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 3/28/18 at 6:36 pm to
Straw Straw Straw PLEASE tell me what the mudda f'ing thing Trask has done for you to be on his ability as a savior of our program. His record? (whoops no record of anything, TDs thrown in college, well...no?) We are all waiting dude.

We can argue til the cows come home...neither one of knows the answers.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 3/28/18 at 7:44 pm to
I didn't even mention Trask until the very end of the last post, unless you're asking for an alternative and the obviousis Trask: either way, I think ''give a guy with a clean slate a chance'' is more palatable than ''hope to God that someone can make guy #2 able to be an average quarterback''.

https://www.readandreaction.com/2018/03/25/film-study-the-case-for-kyle-trask-to-be-the-gators-qb-in-2018/

Better size, ran a similar offense, better runner, extremely accurate (almost 15% better than Franks in high school), willing to take a hit to make a throw (lol Franks), makes reads like A REAL QUARTERBACK, he can make touch passes.

Mentally and physically, Trask is better than Franks and you can see it in practice. All I'm saying is give him a chance, Franks had his game 1 to 11.

https://www.readandreaction.com/2018/03/04/film-study-the-case-for-feleipe-franks-to-be-the-gators-qb-in-2018/

Just look at Will Grier vs. Feleipe Franks in difference from poise to understanding of the game. We can only browbeat the coaches so much. Grier played in 5 games less than Franks and scored 3 more touchdowns than him. Grier did this with one of the worst offensive lines (only one returning starter, only one with D1 starting experience with no backups).

He's just a shitty quarterback, and I don't know why we shat all over Driskel but we don't just call a spade a spade with Franks.
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