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SOSFAN
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re: tOfficial Gamecocks Basketball Thread 2018-19
The freshman class is all we have and they are a decent group. It's imperative that he sign another class on equal terms to help this class out. Recruiting athletes that can't shoot isn't helping.


I Bleed Garnet
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re: tOfficial Gamecocks Basketball Thread 2018-19
17% from 3 is embarrassing



SOSFAN
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Blythewood
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re: tOfficial Gamecocks Basketball Thread 2018-19
How much do you blame recruiting versus blaming coaching?


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re: tOfficial Gamecocks Basketball Thread 2018-19
They’re both equal.
We need talent.

But at the same time. I’d prefer the run and gun style that Brad Underwood uses


SOSFAN
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re: tOfficial Gamecocks Basketball Thread 2018-19
We need a run and gun style to bring the talent in. The one thing that has been keepung me on Franks side is his coaching ability but after watching silva and that 6'11" foreign kid that can't dunk I question his coaching now. It could be that they haven't actually regressed they have just hit their talent ceiling.


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re: tOfficial Gamecocks Basketball Thread 2018-19
I know it's in lieu of an NCAA violation or something (I think that's all BS)

But anyone see that Kevin Ollie was fired after 5 years at Uconn?

The guy wins them a title (with Calhoun's guys I'll give him that) and just completely fricked over the program.

5 years.

Meanwhile Frank has been here how long? and can't build a solid base after the final 4?

Frank's defensive approach is only good if you can keep players in the program (like Michigan and UVA do)

I feel like we don't do that often. How many people are left from Kotsar and Silva's class?


I Bleed Garnet
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re: tOfficial Gamecocks Basketball Thread 2018-19
Can someone gimme a cliff note of what Frank said about schedule and fans?

I see twitter but just gives me a 30 min video to watch.

Don't feel like watching that shit/really can't till tonight


SOSFAN
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Basically that he improved the schedue but it was sad that there were more uva fans then us and he wants a better homecourt advantage. I will say that your post on the basketball situation has been very thought provoking and gives , us older posters, a valid insight into the younger generation minds. Kudos mate!
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Cockopotamus
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re: tOfficial Gamecocks Basketball Thread 2018-19
I was there and didn't think there were more UVA fans than USC fans

Student section was empty but they're home for break so not sure what he's bitching about.

If he put a team on the floor that looked worth a damn and didn't have a new roster every year because of kids fleeing or getting kicked off then maybe more fans would show up.


SOSFAN
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re: tOfficial Gamecocks Basketball Thread 2018-19
I think the split in the fans is due to the argument of supply/demand ( if a better product was supplied than the demand to see them would increase) versus the " fans should go support and cheer for the team no matter what". I've been seeing some fans, that are in the latter crowd, start to not want to be there and some of their argument is built around Franks yelling and attitude toward the players. They are tired of losing and hearing Frank constantly yell and deride the players.
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Which one of my thoughts?


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I Bleed Garnet
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re: tOfficial Gamecocks Basketball Thread 2018-19
People ain’t showing up unless we are winning.
It’s been like that since Spurrier.
We have been to 2 NCAATs since 05.

This isn’t some small big east private school where basketball is life, or somewhere like Kentucky or Indiana or ill even say a school like NC State .

Our fan base doesn’t have the same “light up” for basketball like we do football.
And it’s vice versa for them.

We just played the #4 team in the nation, but it was the same day as signing day.
We cared more about that. NC State in the same sense played Auburn ( a top 10 team)
I would say their message boards were buzzing more going into that game than signing day.

That’s just how it’s been here and will now always be since where we are and what we do.
Frank knew what he got himself into, so he needs to quiet. He took a job at a football school. Only way you get our attention is winning. I’m counting this season as a L. So that will be one tourney trip in his time here so far. Not good


SOSFAN
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re: tOfficial Gamecocks Basketball Thread 2018-19
I don't remember Dawn going public about lack of fans. She built her team and the fans came. Frank should be selling his vision and what he can do for the kids future not bitching and moaning about fans. I really wonder if he did that so he can use it down the road to leave


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re: tOfficial Gamecocks Basketball Thread 2018-19
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I don't remember Dawn going public about lack of fans

Because she's smart.

Women's basketball of all sports has to be fairweather.
No one's showing up unless they are good.

quote:

. I really wonder if he did that so he can use it down the road to leave


I mean if he did leave we are off the hook for any money owed to him



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UpstateCock2007
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re: tOfficial Gamecocks Basketball Thread 2018-19
Frank refuses to recruit guys who aren't hard-nosed defenders, IMO. At some point, that needs to change. We need guys who can shoot and guys who can create. We haven't had that over the past two seasons.

UVA plays great D, and those two white guys shot the eyes out of it from deep. The two aren't mutually exclusive. You can get guys who are good defenders that can also play offense. We can't seem to find those. Frustrates the hell out of me.


SOSFAN
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re: tOfficial Gamecocks Basketball Thread 2018-19
I don't know if he refuses to recruit shooters or because of his playing style they don't want anything to do with him. Frank's style of coaching was ok when I grew up but parents , and kids, don't want to play for someone that screams and cusses at them all game.


I Bleed Garnet
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re: tOfficial Gamecocks Basketball Thread 2018-19
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kids, don't want to play for someone that screams and cusses at them all game.

meh I disagree.

Kids don't wanna play for him because he stinks. And his style of play isn't "sexy"

Coach K, Bob Huggins, Gregg Marshall, Tom Izzo, Mark Turgeron, Jim Boheim, Brad Underwood all yell. No one cares though because they win.

Frank has one Tourney in his 7 years here and a losing record in the SEC.
Other than the 2 years he's finsihed tied for the 3rd in the SEC, he hasn't finsihed above 11th (and this year is not looking good)

Frank's style of coaching "preach defense first" isn't what works because A) we can't shoot to save our lives B) we can't develop anyone.

How many guys have we had stay all 4 years under him? (i'll count PJ as one because he woulda stayed had he not bolted for the NBA)
I think his system COULD work... if kids stayed. but they don't. Freshman that can't shoot or score need to develop. Freshman like the guys Duke have are already elite developed offensive talents (will be starters in the NBA before they are 20). We don't have any guys even close to them, even Seniors. frick even our best senior Sin thornwell wasn't close at 21.


He needs to change his philosophy. Working harder than the other team isn't going to win when you stink.
We played and worked very hard vs UVA, but we were not better than them, that's why we lost.


SOSFAN
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Blythewood
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re: tOfficial Gamecocks Basketball Thread 2018-19
Here is where you're incorrect sir. Kids hate playing for coaches that yell and scream. Coach K came out publicly and said he had to take a step back and change his style because the kids and parents were against the yelling and cussing.

Funny how you had to use 5 of the top coaches out there. Kids are going to want to play for these guys no matter what yet Coach K, the Goat, had to change.

I agree Frank's style of play is old and depressing. I call it the hack attack defense.

Edit: In no way does my " different point of view" insult or demean IBG in any way on purpose. I respect his opinion and him as a poster and a man .
This post was edited on 12/21 at 12:19 pm


UpstateCock2007
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re: tOfficial Gamecocks Basketball Thread 2018-19
He made a comment a few years back that recruiting guys who understood his defensive philosophy was more important than recruiting guys who were flashy and could shoot/score. The comment was in reference to Mike Carerra, the quintessential CFM player.

Our offense is stale. Teams know they can just pack it in, because our guys suck at ball movement, and they suck at shooting. It is tough to watch for me. Without a Thornwell/Dozier type who can get to the rim, we don't stand a chance. I think Bryant and Lawson both have a ton of potential, but beyond that, nobody impresses me in the least. Not even Silva.


I Bleed Garnet
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re: tOfficial Gamecocks Basketball Thread 2018-19
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Edit: In no way does my " different point of view" insult or demean IBG in any way on purpose. I respect his opinion and him as a poster and a man .


lol do we have to start doing this so people don't quit?


But yea I guess you;'re right. But I think had Frank been winning kids wouldn't have issues.

Point is he isn't.


But I also think the Yelling and cursing is now being "worse" because everything is telveised and on TV now days.
shite even 10-15 years ago it wasn't like this. Now it's like "hey lets go to South Western Louisiana state and watch this clip of this guy yelling at a ref for 30 mins straight all game!"

IDK what it is for me but I prefer a dickhead/a-hole/hard arse to be my coach/boss because then if they aren't I walk all over them.
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