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So, how do you really feel about A&M on our Statehouse grounds ....

Posted on 8/4/18 at 11:28 am
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 8/4/18 at 11:28 am
And be serious.

I understand most young people were never taught the history of our hallowed venable Statehouse grounds.

Back when I was in elementary school, and well into the 70s I know, 7th and 8th graders received two years of SC History and would travel to Columbia, from all over the state, to tour the grounds and the Statehouse.

Civil War history was a big part of the curriculum.

Few these days understand what the war was really about and that it really started in 1812 when NY, and the Feds, decided they needed the Eerie Canal to connect a shipping route to the St Lawrence passage way and commerce into Canada.

How did they finance it? Largely by forcing ships out of SC and the rest of the South, laden with cotton and tobacco and bound for Europe, to come to the Port of NYC to be taxed before crossing the Atlantic.

I've still got one of my books about the causes of the Civil War from the '60s.

That's just one of the many reasons we eventually fought that war. Although, history has been rewritten to exclude all of the state's rights issues, and unfair taxation without representation. Things, among others, that were anti-Constitutional.

Our state Forefathers fought a war about that and it definitely wasn't all about the heinous institution of slavery. Everyone knew slavery was on its way out shortly because of technology, new farm implements that would erase the needs for manual, slave labor.

I realize most young people have no clue about the war crimes committed by Sherman and his troops during the siege of Columbia ... although most SC alumni are aware of the burning, the rapes, the murders, and that the horseshoe was used as a hospital ... few were ever taught about the battle to save the city and the last stand that took place by brave old men, boys, and even some women, to save our Capital building.

My wife and I both had ancestors killed and/or murdered during the taking of Columbia as well as other ancestors who fought for the Confederacy from Charleston to Perryville in Kentucky. I had an Uncle who was imprisoned at Fort Douglas in Chicago ... a place far worse than Andersonville. Few young people even know about the war atrocities that took place at Fort Douglas.

For many of us, the Civil War was not about slavery ... neither of our families owned slaves. Truth is, few farms had slaves.

Slavery was a bad thing, I cannot even imagine what it was like ... but there were so many other things that war was all about. One of the diaries we have in our possession from a family member has an entry about how much money they lost having to move their cotton, tobacco and indigo through the Port of NY ... because the Europeans didn't have to pay the taxes, our Forefathers did.

Now, let's admit, when A&M fans come here they are coming with the express intent to beat us ... to establish and display a dominance over us.

A lot of people in this state, and not just Gamecock fans, are not happy with them doing that or with the overtly aggressive tactics this lawyer who is the head of their chapter here have used to gain access to those grounds for their semi-annual rallies ... especially evoking the Constitutional aspects of their Freedom to Assemble on that spot for this time of rally. This is not political. This is not celebratory. This is sheer disrespect as any who have attended and witnessed what these rallies are all about can attest.

They intentionally spit on the steps as some were seen overtly doing two years ago, they litter, they confront our own fans right on OUR Statehouse steps ... and many of us are not cool with it.

To those that see no harm in it and call it, "all in good fun," can you understand why some of us don't see it that way?

We had two A&M grads and their wives as guests to the Cockaboose two years ago. Without even bringing the subject up, both of them asked us why we allowed it to be held there. Both were somewhat taken aback by are allowing it to be held there and some of the things they had seen go-down the night before. They told us they were going to write letters to their alumni association ... whether they did or not who knows.

During a Gamecock Club event two summers ago at the stadium, I asked Ray, in front of everyone, if he was going to approach the governor about moving the event and he promised he would ... he thought it should be moved.

He never did to the best of our knowledge. Halley ended-up going to the U.N. and Henry took over ... we're still pressuring him to make the move but word from him has been that Halley allowed it because she is a Clemson fan and she is good friends with Texas's former Governor Rick whatshisname who is also an A&M grad. Supposedly he has said that it was her idea even.

It's just not right. Halley has no Forefathers who fought or died in this country or this state for anything. And it was a major coupe for A&M allowing them to do it on our Statehouse steps. Hell, they could do it on the University side of the building, right on Main Street, opposite side, or on the side grounds ... but they do it on our steps for effect

It's wrong.

Just wondering, if you condone it, why?
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
25850 posts
Posted on 8/4/18 at 11:43 am to
I honestly think it was a big misunderstanding.

A&M does it at every away game. They just look for a place that’s easily recognizable/easy to get to for their fans to meet up.

With that said, I don’t think Aggies or Texans in general are used to running into other people that are as proud of their state as they are of theirs and so aren’t used to people getting upset over their chosen location.
Posted by Carolina_Girl
South Cackalacky
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 8/4/18 at 11:56 am to
My question to them is how would they like it if we invoked the same right to assemble as they did on their coveted patch of grass? They'd have one helluva hissy fit and massive, epic conniption fits.

IMO, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. They think they are the only ones with immense state pride and they are not. We are just as proud a state as they are and if they see no problem with basically desecrating and disrespecting a place that is very important to the people of this state, why would it be any different if we did the same to them?

It would be one thing if they gathered there respectfully but that is not the case and they go so far as to brag about it. That's what I take issue with.
Posted by Mizzou4ever
Kansas City, Mo
Member since Nov 2011
15229 posts
Posted on 8/4/18 at 12:07 pm to
Texas arrogance isn't just associated with the Longhorns
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 8/4/18 at 2:40 pm to
I personally find it to be disrespectful to our state. I have no problem with them having their cheer meeting at another place but to have on our state grounds is disrespectful to our state capital and to the citizans of our state.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 8/4/18 at 3:50 pm to
quote:

A&M does it at every away game. They just look for a place that’s easily recognizable/easy to get to for their fans to meet up.

We are the only state, the only SEC city, that allows them to do it on our Statehouse steps.

I'm not even sure they were ever allowed to do it on their own Statehouse steps when they played at UT Austin.

I've said it many times .... they have been offered plenty of alternative locations but they've got this attorney who is a member of a large Columbia law firm. He is their alumni chapter president here, lives out in Chapin, and he has made it his mission to rub this shite in our faces.

He gets a kick out of this.

I honest to gosh believe most A&M fans we've spoken with at games ... they had no clue. They thought we invited them and wanted them to do it on those steps.

It's a dang shame.
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 8/4/18 at 4:13 pm to
Get me his address.
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
5878 posts
Posted on 8/4/18 at 8:14 pm to
quote:

With that said, I don’t think Aggies or Texans in general are used to running into other people that are as proud of their state as they are of theirs and so aren’t used to people getting upset over their chosen location. 



This. Aggots think that they're the only group with pride, and the only state that has a history. They're painfully unaware of other people.

The few I've met, I've disliked a good bit.

It should be moved, no doubt. But we also have to start winning that game.
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
25850 posts
Posted on 8/4/18 at 8:36 pm to
quote:

Aggots think that they're the only group with pride


ISWYDT

quote:

The few I've met, I've disliked a good bit.


That's a shame, because they were a great group when I went to school there and everyone I know that's interacted with them in the few games we've had have generally have damn good experiences.

When I was there, I had a buddy of mine come out for the SC game in College Station that year. The Friday before there was a party we went to and there wasn't a time that I went off to either go to the bathroom or talk to someone else that I didn't come back that there wasn't an Aggie that had gone up to my friend (in a Carolina shirt) to introduce themselves.
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
5878 posts
Posted on 8/4/18 at 10:17 pm to
quote:

That's a shame, because they were a great group when I went to school there and everyone I know that's interacted with them in the few games we've had have generally have damn good experiences. 


I've heard many others say that, and as such, I try to realize that I've met the proverbial bad apples. I don't think all of them are arrogant and entitled, but it's been my experience thus far. Still, I'm definitely open to having my mind changed.
Posted by CNB
Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2007
95873 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 3:55 am to
quote:

Just wondering, if you condone it, why?


I don't condone it. I just don't care.

But I'll say what I always say. Did you care when the KKK assembled on the steps?




I just don't see why it's a big deal tbh. They aren't being malicious. They aren't trashing the place. It's a gay little pep rally. Let them have their fun.

I'll take Aggies assembling on those steps over white trash Neo-Nazis carrying battle flags all day any day
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:20 am to
quote:

Did you care when the KKK assembled on the steps?

I certainly did ... I was right there in that crowd, pissed off as hell that they were allowed. Livid that they used that flag and claimed it as their own.

My younger brother almost got into a fight with one of them.

We tried to stop that bullshite from ever happening.

But back to the A&M thing ... so you've actually attended one lf their rallys and you've witnessed, first hand, what they do?
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
25850 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 3:33 pm to
quote:

back to the A&M thing ... so you've actually attended one lf their rallys and you've witnessed, first hand, what they do?


I attended 1-2 they hold in their own stadium for home games, what are you saying they do?
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:43 pm to
What they do in their stadium is not the same because they respect the inside of their stadium.
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
25850 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 10:10 pm to
Yeah, I’m asking what did they do on the state house steps that was disrespectful to you besides stand on them?
Posted by Mr.Sinister
South Carolina
Member since Dec 2012
4956 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:42 pm to
I'm torn on the issue honestly.

It feels wrong, not only for the historical aspect of the area but it's similar to a stranger walking in your home and putting their feet up all over your shite.

at the same time though....
quote:

It's a gay little pep rally. Let them have their fun.


We have to start winning this game to make this less significant of an ordeal.
Posted by chawk195
Spartanburg, SC
Member since Feb 2015
1174 posts
Posted on 8/6/18 at 12:44 am to
Its one of those things for me where I feel like it's not the fans or the Aggie supporters that do it or that they mean to be disrespectful by doing it. It's something that Nikki Haley let happen in 2014 before the SEC network kick off game, as if that game needed any more publicity. Her anti-carolina agenda had to be very conspicuous because of the location of the statehouse and the government center of the state being set up in the middle of campus. The fans do what they're told to do. I just hope that our new governor who is a Gamecock will resolve this issue.

Texas in and of itself has a very distinct culture due to the fact that, to this day, they are the only state that can legally separate from the union and their people are very aware of that fact. Their history involves a full decade where they were their own country and that idea of individuality and pride is inherent throughout the state. So unless someone in the South Carolina government stands up to them congregating and doing their little cheerleading routine at the statehouse, it will continue on and be a slap in the face to all of us, the people of this state, and those who came before us.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51246 posts
Posted on 8/6/18 at 6:53 am to
quote:

With that said, I don’t think Aggies or Texans in general are used to running into other people that are as proud of their state as they are of theirs and so aren’t used to people getting upset over their chosen location.



Hit the nail on the head.

I'm in Texas regularly. I love Texas and could see myself moving there one day. A lot of them just don't know anything about South Carolina. A lot of them even say that SC isn't a southern state. It is hilarious.
Posted by SECUSC4
Member since Jun 2018
1355 posts
Posted on 8/6/18 at 7:57 am to
quote:

It's a gay little pep rally.


This is how I feel about it.

But, I like that SC usually has shown up with almost equal numbers and chanted back. I think thats kinda cool and shows that both teams have incredibly loyal and devoted fans.

Until we start winning that game though, we just look like sore losers whining about our stairs being disrespected.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 8/6/18 at 8:13 am to
Amen.

Also, full disclosure, I'm half Texan insomuch as my Mother is a Texan, born and bred in El Paso, and she is proud of her Texas heritage ... I get it. I've got a shite ton of Uncles and Cousins in Texas. I went down about a decade ago and rode the border of my Uncle's and cousins' ranch ... my Grandfather's original ranch that he bought during The Great Depression. Rode the border on horseback for a month trying to help stop the illegals that were coming across the border and butchering cows and horses as they went .... was actually part of the party that found a Qur'an at one of the campsites. Helped to catch some drug mules ... hell, I'm all about Texas being part of my heritage. I've got a cousin who has made hundreds of millions insuring oil drilling companies ... he's good friends with Tommy Suggs. I hunt down there every December (although I may not go this December, I dunno, I probably will) and hob nob with literally the who's who of old school Texas ranch families, attorneys, oil men .... and we always celebrate, with South Carolina moonshine that I take each year, the SC-TX connections.

I know their history as well as I know our own here in SC.

We both have rich, independent, histories.

I agree, Halley allowed this to happen and she laughed at us when we practically begged her not to allow it to happen. I was standing right there.

The other problem has been that some just don't care. They don't see it as a big deal ... they don't have the pride in the state or appreciate the sacrifices made for the sanctity of that Statehouse.

Military guys typically do. They are, in essence, an invading force intent on conquering us on the modern battlefield ... the grid iron. They want to establish their dominance here, over us and our program ... it is as simple as that. It helps their image, it hurts ours. Period.

They are smarmy about it even.

Half my cousins are UTa grads, and one uncle, the other half are A&M grads. They all use it to rib me and I get it, I do, even though, as Texans they believe they are entitled to do so ... they can't help themselves.

But we're THE ONLY program and state that allows them to do it on our Statehouse steps.

I'll keep fighting it until the day I die.
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