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Posted on 10/24/18 at 8:52 am to I Bleed Garnet
UA when nike and other big names offered competitive offers including Nike,
I didn't know this.
Just assumed UA was giving us more since Nike had so many people already and looked at us as the lower tier.
I mean who in their right mind turns Nike down for UnderArmour? No One
I have no inside information either, but assume as do you, that any competent person is going to accept the best deal. You have to look at how the deal is structured in terms of money and longevity. Ray does has others advising him in these matters.
I didn't know this.
Just assumed UA was giving us more since Nike had so many people already and looked at us as the lower tier.
I mean who in their right mind turns Nike down for UnderArmour? No One
I have no inside information either, but assume as do you, that any competent person is going to accept the best deal. You have to look at how the deal is structured in terms of money and longevity. Ray does has others advising him in these matters.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 8:56 am to jacocks53
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Good article on the subject....
Good article on the subject....
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The Thundering Herd would be available to play if they don’t qualify for the Conference USA Championship game, but they are in second place in their division at the moment and South Carolina officials may not feel like they can wait to see if Marshall is available before locking up a 12th opponent for Dec. 1.
If the Gamecocks move on from Marshall or Marshall is not available, Southern Miss seems to make the most sense. The Eagles (3-3 overall, 2-1 Conference USA) had their Sept. 15 game against Appalachian State canceled due to Hurricane Florence.
Appalachian State also needs a 12th game, but the Mountaineers are ranked No. 25 in the country and need to replace a home game. App State is already on USC’s schedule for 2019.
South Carolina almost certainly will play its 12th game in Williams-Brice Stadium, which makes available teams UCF, Virginia Tech and West Virginia much more complicated as potential opponents.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 9:18 am to SECUSC4
I don't see why either p5 teams would schedule it, as well as any of the teams mentioned.
Also, NC State technically isn't out of it.
I see they already have ECU scheduled, but would be quite hilarious if they end up winning out and Clemson loses 2 conference games.
Also, Liberty already has Norfolk State scheduled for that game.
based on non p5 teams that had games cxld this year (and don't have something already scheduled) I see.
Akron
UCF
Marshall
Southern Miss
App State
I don't see at all why UCF would schedule us, they'll more likely be in the AAC title game on that day, def a NY6 bowl and a very very small chance at the playoff.
App State will most likely be in the SUn Belt title game on that day as well.
Also, NC State technically isn't out of it.
I see they already have ECU scheduled, but would be quite hilarious if they end up winning out and Clemson loses 2 conference games.
Also, Liberty already has Norfolk State scheduled for that game.
based on non p5 teams that had games cxld this year (and don't have something already scheduled) I see.
Akron
UCF
Marshall
Southern Miss
App State
I don't see at all why UCF would schedule us, they'll more likely be in the AAC title game on that day, def a NY6 bowl and a very very small chance at the playoff.
App State will most likely be in the SUn Belt title game on that day as well.
This post was edited on 10/24/18 at 9:25 am
Posted on 10/24/18 at 9:22 am to jacocks53
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I have no inside information either, but assume as do you, that any competent person is going to accept the best deal. You have to look at how the deal is structured in terms of money and longevity. Ray does has others advising him in these matters.
I actually think we get more from UA than Clemson gets from Nike.
yes; 71.5 mil over 10 from UA
58 over 10 from Nike
But realistically UA is shite so it's probably even ha
Posted on 10/24/18 at 12:21 pm to SECUSC4
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Dude who the hell is giving you information?
It came straight out of someone's mouth at The Rice Shack.
Straight out of his mouth and he didn't make it up last Friday, that's the way it was Friday and the only thing that changed was that serious hell was raised over the weekend.
Marshall is not going to make the Championship game. It was definitely not going to always be Marshall because long before Marshall went on this winning streak they were saying they didn't necessarily want a make-up game under the existing contract's so stipulations which was immediately null and void once the game was cancelled. They wanted a make-up game with West Virginia and they let everyone know it and if WVA and Marshall both miss their Conference Championship games it's still liable to happen as, apparently, they have reached just that agreement.
The UCF deal was funky. According to what I was told the talks were aimed at UCF and ECU moving their game to this week and us playing either UCF or ECU during the open week last week ... but one or both of those schools would not agree to that.
And yeah, if they could have gotten a P5 school who had an away game to sell it definitely would have been a P5 school. mUSChamp wanted a P5 school if possible after we lost the A&M game.
ETA: I forgot to include this one important detail about why a P5 game was desirable.
When they started trying to schedule a game they immediately had to deal with TV. They were making calls about what was to be expected in terms of a broadcast of the game, what time slots were available and what network would be interested. It wasn't just ESPN/SECNetwork either ... it was also Fox Sports, NBC Sports and CBS Sports based upon various possible opponents.
They overwhelming responses they received was that it would have to be an early game and a P5 match-up would allow for better monetization. That's why P5 programs were reached-out-to first. Then came the issues with home or away, who would pay what and who would be available that one specific weekend after Conference Championship games were taken into account. There was even talk of playing the game the second week in December when more TV was available.
This post was edited on 10/24/18 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 10/24/18 at 12:45 pm to jacocks53
Here's why some have a problem with the Under Armor deal that was made.
Tanner has a good relationship with Under Armor from his baseball days. He doesn't have the same kind kf relationship with Nike.
Tanner, rightfully so I think, believes in loyalty to brands.
The problem is the deal was done, and it had to be approved by the BoTs, with us receiving a lot of Under Armor stock whereas Nike's offer was for less overall money but it was all in cash.
There's two ways to look at that. Once is a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush and that cash could be invested ... sort of like a lottery winner taking the up front money rather than the annuity.
Second, by taking the stock optons deal with Under Armour the net gain of the original contract can, and has been at times already, devalued because of flucuations in the stock's value on the market. That's not to say those stocks may not rise in value and make the contract worth even more over the long haul ... stocks can do that over a long haul, but still, if you take the up front cash and diversify in a good sleeve it may build the department more wealth over time than holding all the stock from Under Armor.
But there are other things beyond just the Under Armor deal or the coaching search or the Holbrook hire or the make-up football game or the way the Dawn Staley thing was handled ... and that last one, his hands were sorta tied although he could have been more ooenly vocal in Dawn's corner, but that's just not his way.
With all of that said a lot of his decisions and indecisions have been influenced by Pastides and the BoTs So, it'll be interesting to see how he fares under a new President less than a year from now.
He made an excellent hire with Kingston so that will offset Holbrook in the long haul and the Holbrook hire, on the surface, was supposed to be a good one. Loyalty also kicked-in on that decision.
Mark Berson has gotta be forced into retirement and Tanner is going to have to replace him with a big name. Hyman was under pressure to do it before he left but he was afraid to touch it.
Then there's the politics with Tanner. The one I hear the most is, "Who is really running the athletic department? Is it Tanner or is it Charlie Bloom?" Additionally there have been some other little things that are building-up and will eventually become big things if not handled soon.
Tanner has a good relationship with Under Armor from his baseball days. He doesn't have the same kind kf relationship with Nike.
Tanner, rightfully so I think, believes in loyalty to brands.
The problem is the deal was done, and it had to be approved by the BoTs, with us receiving a lot of Under Armor stock whereas Nike's offer was for less overall money but it was all in cash.
There's two ways to look at that. Once is a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush and that cash could be invested ... sort of like a lottery winner taking the up front money rather than the annuity.
Second, by taking the stock optons deal with Under Armour the net gain of the original contract can, and has been at times already, devalued because of flucuations in the stock's value on the market. That's not to say those stocks may not rise in value and make the contract worth even more over the long haul ... stocks can do that over a long haul, but still, if you take the up front cash and diversify in a good sleeve it may build the department more wealth over time than holding all the stock from Under Armor.
But there are other things beyond just the Under Armor deal or the coaching search or the Holbrook hire or the make-up football game or the way the Dawn Staley thing was handled ... and that last one, his hands were sorta tied although he could have been more ooenly vocal in Dawn's corner, but that's just not his way.
With all of that said a lot of his decisions and indecisions have been influenced by Pastides and the BoTs So, it'll be interesting to see how he fares under a new President less than a year from now.
He made an excellent hire with Kingston so that will offset Holbrook in the long haul and the Holbrook hire, on the surface, was supposed to be a good one. Loyalty also kicked-in on that decision.
Mark Berson has gotta be forced into retirement and Tanner is going to have to replace him with a big name. Hyman was under pressure to do it before he left but he was afraid to touch it.
Then there's the politics with Tanner. The one I hear the most is, "Who is really running the athletic department? Is it Tanner or is it Charlie Bloom?" Additionally there have been some other little things that are building-up and will eventually become big things if not handled soon.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:57 pm to scrooster
Thanks for the insight guys. In any power structure, so many things are decided by politics. I worked for a large corporation and was low enough on the totem pole that I could stay out of the weeds. I am hoping that both Tanner and Muschamp will be successful. Changing the guard every few years is never a good solution.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 2:05 pm to scrooster
I don't know what the rice shack is, but this is not consistant with what Ive heard at all. Also, it sounds like you are very biased against Ray Tanner. And all this is almost propaganda to make him sound bad. I like the guy, mostly because I like consistency.
Either way itll probably still be Akron. Like I've heard from before Friday when you said there wasnt even going to be a 12th game scheduled. Thats never been an idea. Someone lied to you.
Either way itll probably still be Akron. Like I've heard from before Friday when you said there wasnt even going to be a 12th game scheduled. Thats never been an idea. Someone lied to you.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 3:28 pm to SECUSC4
Posted on 10/24/18 at 4:20 pm to SECUSC4
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 4:25 pm to SECUSC4
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I don't know what the rice shack is
Chinese Restaurant?
Posted on 10/24/18 at 4:36 pm to UpstateCock2007
Pass me some of that popcorn. Some serious shite being thrown around this room. Hey Garnet, can I have a sip of your soda ?
Posted on 10/24/18 at 9:13 pm to TheUSC
I’ll just throw you another one
Posted on 10/24/18 at 10:47 pm to SECUSC4
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I don't know what the rice shack is, but this is not consistant with what Ive heard at all.
It's our nickname for the building where the AD's office is located, along with fundraising, etc.
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Also, it sounds like you are very biased against Ray Tanner. And all this is almost propaganda to make him sound bad. I like the guy, mostly because I like consistency.
Show me where I "sound" like Ray is a bad guy. He's not a bad guy, he's a bad AD IMHO. He's a great baseball guy and he earned his shot ... but he has not performed well. He's been OJT since day one. And, he's far too poltical.
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Either way itll probably still be Akron. Like I've heard from before Friday when you said there wasnt even going to be a 12th game scheduled.
Show us where you posted, before Friday, that it was going to be Akron. I mean you're such an insider, with unimpeachable sources, then step up to the fricking plate and share what you know. Put your arse on the line so that some dipshit can come along and claim otherwise after the fact.
My sources are impeccable and have been for 30 years.
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Thats never been an idea. Someone lied to you.
At worst he was playing dumb. More likely it was fact when he said it because he's not the type to play dumb and never has been. One thing I know for sure is that everyone up there was told that it was not likely that there was going to be a 12th game as of last Friday morning. He didn't lie.
ETA: Looking forward to you breaking some news soon. You already know about which assistant coach will not be here next year, correct? Share those details with us when you have a spare moment.
This post was edited on 10/24/18 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 10/25/18 at 3:12 am to I Bleed Garnet
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Il throw you another one
Uhh. Thanks. Next time let me open it though.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 7:52 am to scrooster
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It's our nickname for the building where the AD's office is located
Damn so you just sit in the man's office and shite on him? Thats fun.
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he's a bad AD IMHO. He's a great baseball guy and he earned his shot ... but he has not performed well.
I don't see this. One of the biggest responsibilities for an AD is raising money and hes been doing a damn good job at that. We need more money, programs like Clemson have been shitting money for them and we were behind for a long while. And we still dont know how the Muschamp hire has gone but he has DOUBLED the talent on our team since he got there so at the very least he filled our exact need.
Maybe hes not the guy we need in the future but I don't think he should lose his job for atleast another 5 years.
And we were literally never not going to have a 12th game. Sorry youre 30 year guy was wrong. Maybe he didnt lie to you. Maybe someone lied to him because they knew he told a guy who leaked everything online. IDK.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 7:56 am to scrooster
I'm so sick and tired of the Holbrook hire shite. At the time of the hire it was the absolutely correct choice. We won the nc because of holbrook's recruiting and changing Tanners mindset from long ball to small ball. He was also one of the top choices in the nation. So stop with the stupid " tanner shouldn't have hired him" shite because , at the time of the hire, Gamecock nation including you and your false information friends would have raised hell if anyone else would have been hired.
Note: I am friends with Chads family through his mil. Yes I still get triggered over this.
Note: I am friends with Chads family through his mil. Yes I still get triggered over this.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 7:58 am to scrooster
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You already know about which assistant coach will not be here next year, correct?
Didn't we already discuss this on here? I believe you mentioned it back over the Summer, and I had some hints/rumors that I had heard.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 7:59 am to scrooster
Maybe you should find a new restaurant with a different waiter to get your " inside info " from. LMAO!
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