Started By
Message
23
Posted on 10/15/19 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 10/15/19 at 4:24 pm
Systems were down at work so I threw the game back on...
Now for most of you Fromm haters, you can remember the 23 incompletions like it's your job. But I re-watched the game...looking for these incompletions and the what caused them.
And I came away not as mad as I was Saturday, actually. Watching the game, not in a panic wondering if we're going to score to take the lead back, watching the game just to see where things went wrong, you come away with a different outlook. Fromm made some damn good throws. He had a few misses but to think he only completed 54%?
He had some throw aways, the obvious interceptions which I think 1 of only being his fault--he got too cute and should have just put it in the 2nd row. But there were some drops and some shots taken that we just didn't connect on--and that's what we remember.
He didn't have much room on the early shots with Pickens and Robertson; just no space at all and the DBs were playing physical. Pickens has to do a better job of pressing the corners and not pinning himself to the sideline.
He threw a bullet to Swift as he released up the field but he just couldn't corral it. Threw one into double coverage trying to force one to Pickens out of the endzone. The overthrow to Simmons should have been PI; defender got beat and literally just cut him off. Coley designed a nice play to get Blaylock deep on a wheel route but his feet got caught up and Fromm was a bit off. So no connections on our deep trys, but hey, we wanted them to take shots right? The misses From had were key and part of the executional issues. Throwing behind Zeus out of the backfield and same with Swift on the last drive in regulation which he could have picked up a chunk of yards.
Execution...it's not just coach speak. Watching the game, you could see drives get stalled because we would get drives going, solid first down, and then 2 bad plays back to back. Drive killer. I think it was 3rd quarter (?) Mays gets blown up, Zeus tackled for no gain. Next play Mays runs up field and doesn't touch anyone and the defenders fill in behind him and stop the run. It was like he was a concussed Billy Bob and not aware of the situation. Woerner's blocking on the edge wasn't very impressive. And just sustained blocks all together from everyone was lacking and I think that is a big part of why we don't have explosive plays. Too many guys standing around or not holding blocks. Case in point, some of the early runs from Swift and Zeus, 1 more second and they're gone. Or watch the Swift run where Cager blocks down on the safety and bypasses the corner that tackles Swift.
I think with the musical chairs on the line, mainly due to injuries, it's messed with the cohesiveness. You can tell especially with the interior lineman; they chip a guy thinking someone is there to help but that guy ends up being released. I don't know how they could have possibly worked on all of the combos we saw on the line and it is affecting them. Hopefully we can get healthy soon.
To Kirby's point, we were efficient...until we weren't. Our drives came to such crashing haults with the turnovers and missed assignments it leads you to believe that we regressed. We have to capitalize on our drives because if we're going to eat up that much clock, our opportunities will be limited. Our D won't always be lights out and the O will have to put the game on their back. I hope that this L will get the team rallied together knowing there is no more room for error; get them to focus on the details; and play as a team.
We weren't as bad as I thought we were Saturday, from players to coaches, but they have to get it together. I believe they will--hopefully they won't prove me wrong.
Thanks for letting me rant--go dawgs!
Now for most of you Fromm haters, you can remember the 23 incompletions like it's your job. But I re-watched the game...looking for these incompletions and the what caused them.
And I came away not as mad as I was Saturday, actually. Watching the game, not in a panic wondering if we're going to score to take the lead back, watching the game just to see where things went wrong, you come away with a different outlook. Fromm made some damn good throws. He had a few misses but to think he only completed 54%?
He had some throw aways, the obvious interceptions which I think 1 of only being his fault--he got too cute and should have just put it in the 2nd row. But there were some drops and some shots taken that we just didn't connect on--and that's what we remember.
He didn't have much room on the early shots with Pickens and Robertson; just no space at all and the DBs were playing physical. Pickens has to do a better job of pressing the corners and not pinning himself to the sideline.
He threw a bullet to Swift as he released up the field but he just couldn't corral it. Threw one into double coverage trying to force one to Pickens out of the endzone. The overthrow to Simmons should have been PI; defender got beat and literally just cut him off. Coley designed a nice play to get Blaylock deep on a wheel route but his feet got caught up and Fromm was a bit off. So no connections on our deep trys, but hey, we wanted them to take shots right? The misses From had were key and part of the executional issues. Throwing behind Zeus out of the backfield and same with Swift on the last drive in regulation which he could have picked up a chunk of yards.
Execution...it's not just coach speak. Watching the game, you could see drives get stalled because we would get drives going, solid first down, and then 2 bad plays back to back. Drive killer. I think it was 3rd quarter (?) Mays gets blown up, Zeus tackled for no gain. Next play Mays runs up field and doesn't touch anyone and the defenders fill in behind him and stop the run. It was like he was a concussed Billy Bob and not aware of the situation. Woerner's blocking on the edge wasn't very impressive. And just sustained blocks all together from everyone was lacking and I think that is a big part of why we don't have explosive plays. Too many guys standing around or not holding blocks. Case in point, some of the early runs from Swift and Zeus, 1 more second and they're gone. Or watch the Swift run where Cager blocks down on the safety and bypasses the corner that tackles Swift.
I think with the musical chairs on the line, mainly due to injuries, it's messed with the cohesiveness. You can tell especially with the interior lineman; they chip a guy thinking someone is there to help but that guy ends up being released. I don't know how they could have possibly worked on all of the combos we saw on the line and it is affecting them. Hopefully we can get healthy soon.
To Kirby's point, we were efficient...until we weren't. Our drives came to such crashing haults with the turnovers and missed assignments it leads you to believe that we regressed. We have to capitalize on our drives because if we're going to eat up that much clock, our opportunities will be limited. Our D won't always be lights out and the O will have to put the game on their back. I hope that this L will get the team rallied together knowing there is no more room for error; get them to focus on the details; and play as a team.
We weren't as bad as I thought we were Saturday, from players to coaches, but they have to get it together. I believe they will--hopefully they won't prove me wrong.
Thanks for letting me rant--go dawgs!
3
Posted on 10/15/19 at 5:09 pm to CBBDawg316
quote:
We have to capitalize on our drives because if we're going to eat up that much clock, our opportunities will be limited.
So why do we intentionally limit our opportunities and create so little room for error? The only sure thing we know is that players will make errors. Why not put them in situations that doesn’t matter? Run clock in the 4th, run the damn hurry up in the 1st.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 5:58 pm to Dawgfanman
See, that's just what other teams would expect us to do, so we don't. Tactics, man.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 8:29 pm to CBBDawg316
quote:
Systems were down at work so I threw the game back on...
Now for most of you Fromm haters, you can remember the 23 incompletions like it's your job. But I re-watched the game...looking for these incompletions and the what caused them.
And I came away not as mad as I was Saturday, actually. Watching the game, not in a panic wondering if we're going to score to take the lead back, watching the game just to see where things went wrong, you come away with a different outlook. Fromm made some damn good throws. He had a few misses but to think he only completed 54%?
He had some throw aways, the obvious interceptions which I think 1 of only being his fault--he got too cute and should have just put it in the 2nd row. But there were some drops and some shots taken that we just didn't connect on--and that's what we remember.
He didn't have much room on the early shots with Pickens and Robertson; just no space at all and the DBs were playing physical. Pickens has to do a better job of pressing the corners and not pinning himself to the sideline.
He threw a bullet to Swift as he released up the field but he just couldn't corral it. Threw one into double coverage trying to force one to Pickens out of the endzone. The overthrow to Simmons should have been PI; defender got beat and literally just cut him off. Coley designed a nice play to get Blaylock deep on a wheel route but his feet got caught up and Fromm was a bit off. So no connections on our deep trys, but hey, we wanted them to take shots right? The misses From had were key and part of the executional issues. Throwing behind Zeus out of the backfield and same with Swift on the last drive in regulation which he could have picked up a chunk of yards.
Execution...it's not just coach speak. Watching the game, you could see drives get stalled because we would get drives going, solid first down, and then 2 bad plays back to back. Drive killer. I think it was 3rd quarter (?) Mays gets blown up, Zeus tackled for no gain. Next play Mays runs up field and doesn't touch anyone and the defenders fill in behind him and stop the run. It was like he was a concussed Billy Bob and not aware of the situation. Woerner's blocking on the edge wasn't very impressive. And just sustained blocks all together from everyone was lacking and I think that is a big part of why we don't have explosive plays. Too many guys standing around or not holding blocks. Case in point, some of the early runs from Swift and Zeus, 1 more second and they're gone. Or watch the Swift run where Cager blocks down on the safety and bypasses the corner that tackles Swift.
I think with the musical chairs on the line, mainly due to injuries, it's messed with the cohesiveness. You can tell especially with the interior lineman; they chip a guy thinking someone is there to help but that guy ends up being released. I don't know how they could have possibly worked on all of the combos we saw on the line and it is affecting them. Hopefully we can get healthy soon.
To Kirby's point, we were efficient...until we weren't. Our drives came to such crashing haults with the turnovers and missed assignments it leads you to believe that we regressed. We have to capitalize on our drives because if we're going to eat up that much clock, our opportunities will be limited. Our D won't always be lights out and the O will have to put the game on their back. I hope that this L will get the team rallied together knowing there is no more room for error; get them to focus on the details; and play as a team.
We weren't as bad as I thought we were Saturday, from players to coaches, but they have to get it together. I believe they will--hopefully they won't prove me wrong.
Thanks for letting me rant--go dawgs!
Yup. The loss falls on the offense as a whole.
OL would double team a guy and work their way up to the linebackers... but both OL just let the guy go and he makes the stop at the LOS.
Trey Hill getting knocked back 4 yards on an outside run forcing a play to go not where it is blocked. The fumbled exchange.
WR drops, tips to the defender, and not running routes properly.
RBs missing weak spots in the defense when space presents itself.
Fromm throwing late or behind the RBs as they cross in front (this is the most egregious as this should be a high percentage throw). Fromm under throwing corner routes instead of throwing the receiver open.
Fromm over throwing almost everything deep.
It only takes 1 player mistake to blow up a play. All of these player mistakes fall on the coaches, though. If we can't execute at home, how do we expect the offense to go on the road (and when the defense doesn't get 5 gimme false starts).
Posted on 10/15/19 at 8:43 pm to meansonny
Were you the one saying Trey Hill was the weak link on the OL around the time of the Vandy game? If so, you were right. Dude has been very underwhelming at center.
I think we're missing Gaillard every bit as much as the talent at receiver from last year.
I think we're missing Gaillard every bit as much as the talent at receiver from last year.
This post was edited on 10/15/19 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 10/15/19 at 8:55 pm to dawgdayafternoon
quote:
Were you the one saying Trey Hill was the weak link on the OL around the time of the Vandy game? If so, you were right. Dude has been very underwhelming at center
He has potential when he gets his hands on the defender.
But he gets knocked back on the snap way too often. That is a huge liability for a team that wants to run the ball (short yardage especially).
Hill and Mays are the only underclassmen on the OL. We have to remember that sometimes with their mistakes.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:04 am to meansonny
quote:
The fumbled exchange.
I respectfully disagree here. The fumbled exchange is on Fromm, not Hill.
If you watch the play again, Hill is pulling right (along with the rest of the OL) and Fromm pulls out left from under center. That is what caused the bad exchange.
But don't take my word for it. The game analyst, Dan Orlovsky (a former NFL starting QB), pointed this out exactly as I related it above. He put the blame on Fromm.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:34 am to Floyd Dawg
quote:
He put the blame on Fromm.
On the stat sheet in all of football, the center has never fumbled the football. It always goes to the QB.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:42 am to CBBDawg316
The whole team was just eat up with dumbass Saturday. Go back and watch the game and tell me with a straight face that the loss was all on play-calling. It was all there in front of Georgia - the yardage was piled up, the defense was smothering, receivers were open, and we had an opponent who did all they could to lose the game. Our men pulled defeat from the jaws of victory in rare and beautiful fashion.
It’s an all-time bed-shitting right up there with the ‘69 Sugar Bowl and ‘97 Auburn games.
It’s an all-time bed-shitting right up there with the ‘69 Sugar Bowl and ‘97 Auburn games.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:59 am to smelvis
lol they were eat up alright!
I agree, the second time around had me looking at the entire game differently. We had our chances and didn't make the most of any of them.
But that's where it sucks being a fan and not a player...they can clean it up, but will they?
I agree, the second time around had me looking at the entire game differently. We had our chances and didn't make the most of any of them.
But that's where it sucks being a fan and not a player...they can clean it up, but will they?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:03 am to meansonny
This may be true, but Coley only has two run plays, a tailback dive and a draw play. We've got dynamic RBs that we never get outside. We also abandoned the run Saturday. There's no way in hell we should be letting Fromm throw 51 times. Hell, we're winless when he throws it more than 30 times.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:20 am to HTDawg
I said this elsewhere...Fromm threw 51 times because of the game, a game that went to 2 OT. We had 2-3 late drives to end the quarter/regulation. You're not running the ball then, you have to pass due to time. It was like 15-18 passes if i remember correctly that were thrown because we were chasing points. If we execute earlier in the game, we're not in that position and we don't have to throw--but we did and Fromm with his passing drove us down to score to tie and give us a chance.
Do I think we could be more creative in the run? Sure. It does seem we're more of a hat on a hat scheme as of late rather than doing any pulling with guards or scheming to create cut back lanes for our backs. But the musical chairs of lineman isn't helping us. Guys are chipping expecting help and letting guys go free. Guys are whiffing. Guys are getting beat.
We're winless when Fromm throws is more than 30 times typically because we're chasing points. I don't think we've ever said at the start of the game, Fromm here's the keys go throw it around. It's typically we get behind and then have no choice. That may be a combination of his poor performance early (ie. LSU) or it may be because of the flow of the game where we have no time and have to run 2 minute where you run 11 plays, 9 being pass.
Do I think we could be more creative in the run? Sure. It does seem we're more of a hat on a hat scheme as of late rather than doing any pulling with guards or scheming to create cut back lanes for our backs. But the musical chairs of lineman isn't helping us. Guys are chipping expecting help and letting guys go free. Guys are whiffing. Guys are getting beat.
We're winless when Fromm throws is more than 30 times typically because we're chasing points. I don't think we've ever said at the start of the game, Fromm here's the keys go throw it around. It's typically we get behind and then have no choice. That may be a combination of his poor performance early (ie. LSU) or it may be because of the flow of the game where we have no time and have to run 2 minute where you run 11 plays, 9 being pass.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:32 am to CBBDawg316
quote:
I don't think we've ever said at the start of the game, Fromm here's the keys go throw it around.
Nor should we, because that's not who he is. I like Fromm as a guy and a leader, but he's not the QB so many here think he is. He missed a wide open Swift for a TD that wins the game. If he saw the field as well as everyone thinks he does, that doesn't happen. He's not that kind of QB. He's good when the parts around him are working well. He has to work within the system. People hate it when I say that, but the truth hurts.
Nobody offensively performed well Saturday, and that goes double for Coley.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:51 am to HTDawg
lol like I said, go back and watch the game. The kid made throws, tough throws. You start seeing catch after catch and you'll think how the hell did he have 23 incompletions? Between the drops, picks, and throw aways, he easily has a huge swing in completion %. Did he make every throw? No. But who does?
Swift wasn't his first read on that play, but yet he's supposed to know that he's coming open over the middle? If there's no contact with DRob and a little better throw, it's a TD with DRob and nobody's second guessing it.
Guys always come open in the middle or back side of routes but if your read or progressions don't get you there, there's nothing you can do.
Swift wasn't his first read on that play, but yet he's supposed to know that he's coming open over the middle? If there's no contact with DRob and a little better throw, it's a TD with DRob and nobody's second guessing it.
Guys always come open in the middle or back side of routes but if your read or progressions don't get you there, there's nothing you can do.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:10 am to HTDawg
quote:
I like Fromm as a guy and a leader, but he's not the QB so many here think he is
You're not entirely wrong, but imagine being in his shoes this season. New OC and an entirely new receiving corps because of early departures and dismissals. That's a difficult road for any QB to navigate.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 10:11 am to RedPants
It's like they forgot Fromm is a pocket passer, Coley's O looks like it was built for a mobile QB.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 10:35 am to lewis and herschel
And how did you deduce this?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 10:52 am to CBBDawg316
Our offense looks like Les Miles' at LSU.
We don't run what I would call a true pocket passer style offense like when we had Stafford or Murray under Bobo, it's largely short, slant, to intermediate routes and drop backs and teams are now sitting on our predictable routes. Creating coverage sacks.
Which leaves the QB holding on to the ball too long, a running QB could more than make the defense pay for this because no one is home in the middle of the field.
Frankly, it's like Coley thinks Fields is running the o.
This is by no means a shot at Fromm, it's just not the offense I think Fromm could Excel in.
A running qb would hide this offenses defiencies.
We don't run what I would call a true pocket passer style offense like when we had Stafford or Murray under Bobo, it's largely short, slant, to intermediate routes and drop backs and teams are now sitting on our predictable routes. Creating coverage sacks.
Which leaves the QB holding on to the ball too long, a running QB could more than make the defense pay for this because no one is home in the middle of the field.
Frankly, it's like Coley thinks Fields is running the o.
This is by no means a shot at Fromm, it's just not the offense I think Fromm could Excel in.
A running qb would hide this offenses defiencies.
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 10:54 am
Posted on 10/16/19 at 11:08 am to lewis and herschel
That feels like a bit of a stretch to me, but that's my perspective. The Stafford days were truly a pro style offense with I formation, a ton of play action, and deep drops that had slow developing plays.
It appears we largely have a route tree that's predicated on the defensive alignment. We run a lot of safe routes with comebacks, corner and out routes. We mix in a slant, dig or post route every now and then but Coley's designs seem to be hash to sideline oriented. We'd have to look at safety alignment to understand if this defense driven or philosophy.
And Jake doesn't hold on to the ball too long. If you remember, up until SC I don't think we had given up a sack or maybe it was 1. I think a couple of the sacks during the game were on Fromm when he should have just stepped out of the pocket and thrown it OB.
Running QBs always hide your deficiencies, but most dual threats couldn't make the throws Fromm makes either. It's give and take.
It appears we largely have a route tree that's predicated on the defensive alignment. We run a lot of safe routes with comebacks, corner and out routes. We mix in a slant, dig or post route every now and then but Coley's designs seem to be hash to sideline oriented. We'd have to look at safety alignment to understand if this defense driven or philosophy.
And Jake doesn't hold on to the ball too long. If you remember, up until SC I don't think we had given up a sack or maybe it was 1. I think a couple of the sacks during the game were on Fromm when he should have just stepped out of the pocket and thrown it OB.
Running QBs always hide your deficiencies, but most dual threats couldn't make the throws Fromm makes either. It's give and take.
Page 1 of 1
Latest Georgia News
Popular
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News