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Posted on 1/2/15 at 11:54 am to NorthshoreTiger76
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The spread is taking over time for SEC schools to adapt
There's a variety of spread offenses and, at a very minimum, there have been variations of what you may consider the spread run in the SEC since Urban Meyer implemented it at Florida around 2005... about a decade ago. And I suspect-- since Mullen was Meyer's OC-- that Mullen has been running a variation of that spread at Ms. St. for a few years now.
And then there's Sumlin, who I think runs a spread/Air Raid type offense since he took over 3-4 years ago. And if you consider those Air Raid offenses spread offenses, they have been in the SEC before Meyer brought his version to Florida a decade ago.
To the OP: There hasn't been as much speed discrepancy in the past as people generally assume. There are some SEC teams: usually LSU, UF & maybe/arguably Auburn, Bama & UGA that have been faster than most other teams. The SEC has been top heavy and the rest of the SEC, while perhaps slightly better than the average teams of other conferences, hasn't been that much better or faster than the rest of the country.
This year, both Ole Miss & Ms. St. had the good fortune to field experienced teams when both LSU and Bama had good, but not dominant teams. And Arkansas-- which makes a SECW title run every few years-- had a really slow start but finished on an upswing. So, the perception became that every team in the SECW was a contender... which ended up being a stretch.
Bottom line, because the Ms. schools-- which I've never considered to be among the faster SEC teams-- fell off at the end of the year after their experience allowed them a fast start doesn't mean the SEC has become marginal now. And Wisconsin plays an SEC team in bowl games frequently and always plays well in those games. SEC teams rarely-- if ever-- blow Wisconsin out. And Ohio State & Urban Meyer are consistent winners, so I don't find that result surprising either.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 12:52 pm to LSU Patrick
The SEC may be down a little this season based on the bowl results, but I think if you go look at the NFL rosters you will see why. The majority of the big time talent is coming out of the south and in turn the SEC. When guys leave following their RS sophomore season and start in the pros the following season, it says the talent is still there. Unfortunately the win loss records suffer from the percentage of inexperienced players teams are forced to field. Unfortunate circumstance of the wealth of talent.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:34 pm to jr33
I really can care less about the SEC. Freak all of them. All i care about is LSU.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:37 pm to DBeaux225
I care about LSU only. I want the rest of the SEC to get their arse beat
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:39 pm to jr33
I don't root for the conference "brotherhood" anymore.
And I'm thrilled the fricking gumps lost.
And I'm thrilled the fricking gumps lost.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:42 pm to timlan2057
burn the sce down!!!! i dont route for other pawn shops in the neighborhood i dont route for the sec burn em all down
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:43 pm to jr33
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Notre Dame, OSU, Wisc
I disagree. OSU yes due to Meyer coaching there. If Tressel was still there, they still would be slow. Notre Dame is good due to the year they had in 2012. Once the coach is gone, back to mediocrity they will go. I don't agree with Wisconsin. Gordon is a stud, but who else?
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:02 pm to Weaver
part of the SEC west's problem IMHO lies in
a)the psychology and the let down of not being in the "winning circle" as it were. The SEC and the WEST specially play for the SEC title and the National title. I believe that when neither is attainable, the spirits dwindle. Maybe the coaches are not doing a good enough job with motivation.
2)Also, the strength is in the DEPTH of the division and the relentless week-to-week demand, so when you put them in Bowl games, you are always matching each team (which may the the 1 - 6th in the div) with another conference's best team and allowing 3 weeks preparation in addition.
Parity becomes more of a factor.
If we would match 6th SEC team vs the 6th "X" Conference team the results would be different...
in some cases, style also has a lot with it...I would dislike having to play GA TECH....have to re-learn a lot
3) As coaches move around, the SEC STYLE will be copied w its philosophy as well
a)the psychology and the let down of not being in the "winning circle" as it were. The SEC and the WEST specially play for the SEC title and the National title. I believe that when neither is attainable, the spirits dwindle. Maybe the coaches are not doing a good enough job with motivation.
2)Also, the strength is in the DEPTH of the division and the relentless week-to-week demand, so when you put them in Bowl games, you are always matching each team (which may the the 1 - 6th in the div) with another conference's best team and allowing 3 weeks preparation in addition.
Parity becomes more of a factor.
If we would match 6th SEC team vs the 6th "X" Conference team the results would be different...
in some cases, style also has a lot with it...I would dislike having to play GA TECH....have to re-learn a lot
3) As coaches move around, the SEC STYLE will be copied w its philosophy as well
This post was edited on 1/2/15 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:05 pm to rbdallas
People knew when Meyer went to OSU that he would elevate coaching pay and expectations in the B1G. It's happening and the SEC is finding out that nothing lasts forever. In that conference now you have Urban and Harbaugh, expect other dominos to fall as well.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:06 pm to jivy26
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but we haven't changed our Offense from when it has been when CLM first got here.
We've always been a running team. That's never going to change. LA hasn't produce a draft pick at qb since 05. Yet every year we have rbs. Why change to what we can recruit? Years we've had good qbs we threw the ball, not just under Miles.
This post was edited on 1/2/15 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:09 pm to jr33
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The SEC Dominance may be done
No. The "Bama" dominance may be done.
The problem with the SEC is that, in football, it has become so "Bama-Centric" that it is diluting the other programs.
The rematch in 2011, the rigged scheduling for several years, and the officiating were/are all designed to benefit one program. This dilutes the other programs.
Look at what UT essentially did to the Big 12.
I'm not worried about the SEC. Frick the SEC. I'm all LSU. I do not think it will be long for LSU to get back to being a title contender. LSU just needs to figure out how to properly deal with the issues I listed above.
This post was edited on 1/2/15 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:23 pm to jr33
I generally pull for the SEC schools but lose no sleep when Bama, et al loses.
The newer trends on O are forcing DC's to think outside the box. IMO, our former DC did a pretty good job of that. With the players Bama has, it's just odd that they keep getting stumped.
As for some of the bowl games:
- OM has no depth. Injuries to Treadwell, and Nkemdiche really hurt them.
- I think there has been some lousy game planning by some of the other schools (like us), State (no excuse for them).
The newer trends on O are forcing DC's to think outside the box. IMO, our former DC did a pretty good job of that. With the players Bama has, it's just odd that they keep getting stumped.
As for some of the bowl games:
- OM has no depth. Injuries to Treadwell, and Nkemdiche really hurt them.
- I think there has been some lousy game planning by some of the other schools (like us), State (no excuse for them).
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