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Not to pour more gasoline upon Tennessee's fire, but......
Posted on 7/23/22 at 10:00 am
Posted on 7/23/22 at 10:00 am
.......these Level 1 (18 in all) infractions are the most serious on the NCAA-cheat scale.
Don't be deceived by the NCAA's powder-puff, pat-on-the-back, "exemplarary cooperation" to UT remark. They won't necessarily grant UT any mercy when the gavel hits the woodtop.
The NCAA has handed down very severe penalties to schools before that were also glad-handed with "exemplarary cooperation" greetings. T'was not pretty. Will it be any different this time around?
The only sign of any leniency the NCAA expressed in their letter was they didn't charge UT with a lack of institutional control; instead, they went for a lesser failure to monitor allegation. This is still Doo-Doo Land.
However, I read that the NCAA has a new constitution taking effect on August 1st whereby the NCAA offers the possibility of a somewhat lighter judgment if the accused institution promises to fire and get rid of all the evil ones involved in the infractions, etc. So, who knows how they're going to respond.
Something of note: UT fired Pruitt and many others involved in the infractions, but failed to impose a post-season bowl game ban on the football team. This is a possible penalty that will be added to whatever they ultimately judge Tennessee with. Will see.
With all the changes going on in college football over the past several years, one thing remains constant: cheating and not playing by the rules.
Imagine....giving a raise and extending a contract by another two years for a coach who couldn't beat Georgia State....AND....Philip Fulmer giving his swan speech praising Pruitt for his recruiting prowess at the very same news conference that was called to announce Pruitt's firing!!
THIS is the most grievious infraction of all and if there was a DUMB-scale to put this on and pass judgment, then THIS would bust the charts and UT would be banned from the sport forever!
Don't be deceived by the NCAA's powder-puff, pat-on-the-back, "exemplarary cooperation" to UT remark. They won't necessarily grant UT any mercy when the gavel hits the woodtop.
The NCAA has handed down very severe penalties to schools before that were also glad-handed with "exemplarary cooperation" greetings. T'was not pretty. Will it be any different this time around?
The only sign of any leniency the NCAA expressed in their letter was they didn't charge UT with a lack of institutional control; instead, they went for a lesser failure to monitor allegation. This is still Doo-Doo Land.
However, I read that the NCAA has a new constitution taking effect on August 1st whereby the NCAA offers the possibility of a somewhat lighter judgment if the accused institution promises to fire and get rid of all the evil ones involved in the infractions, etc. So, who knows how they're going to respond.
Something of note: UT fired Pruitt and many others involved in the infractions, but failed to impose a post-season bowl game ban on the football team. This is a possible penalty that will be added to whatever they ultimately judge Tennessee with. Will see.
With all the changes going on in college football over the past several years, one thing remains constant: cheating and not playing by the rules.
Imagine....giving a raise and extending a contract by another two years for a coach who couldn't beat Georgia State....AND....Philip Fulmer giving his swan speech praising Pruitt for his recruiting prowess at the very same news conference that was called to announce Pruitt's firing!!
THIS is the most grievious infraction of all and if there was a DUMB-scale to put this on and pass judgment, then THIS would bust the charts and UT would be banned from the sport forever!
This post was edited on 7/23/22 at 10:05 am
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Posted on 7/23/22 at 10:05 am to JetDawg
Posted on 7/23/22 at 10:30 am to JetDawg
I hate those hillbillies with a passion but the thought of paying kids 60k and being punished for it seems laughable now.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 10:47 am to JetDawg
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JetDawg
The Vols did a 12 scholarship reduction last year to account for the players involved, they fired everyone involved from the school side.
Pruitt gets a lifetime show cause, neidermyrer and Felton get 3-5 years each. The program moves on. Pruitt gets nothing from the school and the Vols likely cooperating with the NCAA investigators looking at other schools that did not disclose/cooperate.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 12:05 pm to JetDawg
Let’s hope for the worst
Posted on 7/23/22 at 12:20 pm to JetDawg
Fire on the Mountain
Posted on 7/23/22 at 12:32 pm to JetDawg
To be fair, if you look at the NOA there's nothing particularly egregious. Pruitt isn't a villain so much as a dumbass. Each level 1 is pretty damned tame. One is 3k to pay Mama's medical bills. (I will never get upset at that). Another one is giving UT branded hoodies and hats away.
What is in the NOA is just a lot of direct payments - all small minus the medical bill and one car downpayment but level 1. IOW, Pruitt was simply really bad at doing what everyone else does and gets away with.
What is in the NOA is just a lot of direct payments - all small minus the medical bill and one car downpayment but level 1. IOW, Pruitt was simply really bad at doing what everyone else does and gets away with.
This post was edited on 7/23/22 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 7/23/22 at 12:42 pm to Prof
[img]To be fair, if you look at the NOA there's nothing particularly egregious. Pruitt isn't a villain so much as a dumbass. Each level 1 is pretty damned tame. One is 3k to pay Mama's medical bills. (I will never get upset at that). Another one is giving UT branded hoodies and hats away. What is in the NOA is just a lot of direct payments - all small minus the medical bill and one car downpayment but level 1. IOW, Pruitt was simply really bad at doing what everyone else does and gets away with[/img]
With all due respect, $60,000 (plus what they didn’t catch) is a lot of hoodies. The part that people aren’t getting is that they blatantly did this right under the NCAA’s nose. They don’t like to be to made look more stupid that they already are. I think UT gets a pretty stiff penalty, just this side of death.
With all due respect, $60,000 (plus what they didn’t catch) is a lot of hoodies. The part that people aren’t getting is that they blatantly did this right under the NCAA’s nose. They don’t like to be to made look more stupid that they already are. I think UT gets a pretty stiff penalty, just this side of death.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 12:46 pm to JetDawg
Chances that Fulmer was aware of what Pruitt was doing?
Posted on 7/23/22 at 12:48 pm to BrotherDawg84
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With all due respect, $60,000 (plus what they didn’t catch) is a lot of hoodies. The part that people aren’t getting is that they blatantly did this right under the NCAA’s nose. They don’t like to be to made look more stupid that they already are. I think UT gets a pretty stiff penalty, just this side of death.
NOA details it all. The largest payments were 3k for medical and 6k for a car down payment. The rest is a 100 dollars here 250 there. Small potato stuff over 3 years. They were treating recruiting visits like business trips where you pay for a client's room and their meals.
I'm not a Pruitt fan but that's what the NOA details.
As for the punishment... I don't see how the NCAA can praise us as the example of how schools ought to do things and hammer us. We've self-imposed a lot of penalties and they've praised us.
This post was edited on 7/23/22 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 7/23/22 at 12:53 pm to Skillet
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Chances that Fulmer was aware of what Pruitt was doing?
I'm sure he knew some of it but Fulmer never made decisions like a regular AD. He was hired as a temp and to stabilize things. Mainly, he was there to fundraise from big donors and help unify a very fractured fan and donor base. Other people did the numbers stuff. Underlings ran the day to day. Fulmer was a band-aid.
Mike White is the first legit AD we've had since Doug Dickey retired and he retired when Fulmer was still coaching.
This post was edited on 7/23/22 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 7/23/22 at 12:53 pm to JetDawg
Sec has it's new Auburn for sure.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 2:42 pm to JetDawg
Then get the hell out of my way.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 4:40 pm to OleManDixon
His WIFE was giving players money for goodness sake.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 4:45 pm to Tideroller
If the Hillbillies skate, we skate on Wade. It was very similar things.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 4:48 pm to JetDawg
Tennessee did play in a bowl game Pruitt’s last year.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 4:50 pm to Tideroller
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His WIFE was giving players money for goodness sake
On the balance? Less embarrassing than what Mrs Jimbo Fisher gave away.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 5:25 pm to tiger81
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the Hillbillies skate, we skate on Wade. It was very similar things.
Except they fired him pretty quickly while you tried to rub it in everyone's face for years.
You ain't skating on shite.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 6:19 pm to JetDawg
Vols are fricked.
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