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SEC expansion, pods, & traditional rivals

Posted on 8/10/21 at 11:38 am
Posted by agentoranj1990
Mableton
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 8/10/21 at 11:38 am
I saw this article on the SEC pod idea.

LINK

To me the worst thing about SEC expansion is the possible disruption of annual rivalries we have with Auburn and Tennessee. These are great road trips for the average fan. Then you have Alabama-UT and Florida-LSU. Playing an SEC team every 4 years just zaps the energy out of a rivalry(unless of course it's Bama).
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61915 posts
Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:20 pm to
If you go to a Pod system (4) I suspect you will see something like:

1)
S Carolina
Georgia
Florida
Tennessee

2)
Alabama
Auburn
Kentucky
Vanderbilt

3)
Texas A&M
Arkansas
Texas
Oklahoma

4)
Ole Miss
MState
LSU
Missouri

I suspect the A&M pod could change and take them out to keep them away from Texas and Oklahoma....mainly Texas with the bad blood.

OR we could go with two divisions like this:

East
South Carolina
Georgia
Florida
Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
Kentucky
Vanderbilt

West
Ole Miss
MState
LSU
Arkansas
Texas
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Missouri


It's all speculation, but we'll all know soon.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26046 posts
Posted on 8/10/21 at 3:23 pm to
Divisions make the most sense
Posted by FirstCityDawg
Member since May 2017
3510 posts
Posted on 8/10/21 at 4:36 pm to
I agree. Keep divisions.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61915 posts
Posted on 8/10/21 at 8:29 pm to
quote:

Divisions make the most sense


I like divisions over pods, myself. There's been a lot of talk about pods. Hopefully it is just talk.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
43421 posts
Posted on 8/10/21 at 8:38 pm to
If you're doing those pods switch Texas and Mizzou
Posted by devils1854
Franklin
Member since Aug 2014
6424 posts
Posted on 8/10/21 at 9:44 pm to
I think Pods where A&M isnt in one is Texas is what got the Aggies on board. They were bitching huge about being in the same division.

Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Kentucky
Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Ole Miss, Miss State, LSU, Texas A&M
Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas
Posted by agentoranj1990
Mableton
Member since Oct 2016
1209 posts
Posted on 8/10/21 at 10:21 pm to
The divisions make the most sense but the downside is if they have East-West then the East is Bama, UGA, FL, Auburn, Tenn, SC, Kentucky, and Vandy. We have to get past Bama every year to go to the SECCG. The east will be butchering themselves every year. Imagine if Tenn gets back to form. You could potentially have 5 top 10 teams in the same division. Then with this scenario you have LSU. Maybe they could just have the top 2 teams play each other in the SECCG aside from the division alignment. Just keep the divisions intact so you keep some of the annual rivals intact. But still if the SEC goes to 9 conference games do some of the rivalries like Ga-Tech & Clemson-SC face jeopardy? We dropped Clemson as an annual rival after the SEC went from 7 to 8 conference games.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 8/10/21 at 11:31 pm to
9 games, 3 Perm + 6 Rotating would make the most sense in my opinion... *but* it would take getting an exception to the "must round robin or have 2 divisions with full round robin to have conference championship" rule from the NCAA.

It would get you UGA/UF and UGA/AU plus one additional permanent (probably USC if I had to guess, due to proximity and balancing...) and then within every 4 years, you'd play every other SEC team home and away.

I think 9 SEC games is pretty much a foregone conclusion now that we're expanding to 16 and the CFP looks to expand to 12 teams... without it, B1G would shout from the rooftops about their 9 game conference schedule as though it's some kind of equalizer.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61915 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 5:12 am to
quote:

If you're doing those pods switch Texas and Mizzou




I thought about doing something like that, but decided to just put them as geographical as possible.

I do believe if they go to a pod system that it would be closer to what you are saying, though.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
89776 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 6:57 am to
Divisions dont' make sense to me because they'd be split amonst the universally accepted "big timers" as such:

Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee

LSU, Texas, Oklahoma


Yes I'm fully aware that Tennessee has been down and a team like Texas A&M is currently better, but the big 6 is the big 6 for a really good raeson and it's not just becuase of the last 10 years. For one division (ours, of course) to have 5 of the 8 best teams, including a team currently on the best run in cfb history, and the only division only having 3 is simply not fair or equal.

Pods make by far the most logical sense when it comes to preserving traditional (remember tradition?) rivals and ensuring you play the other teams in this massive conference semi-regularly. You'd have to figure out how to do the pods in a satisfactory way but it checks all the boxes for me. Then since you still need to have a CCG just take the top 2 teams at hte end regardless of pod and have them play. Sure there may be a rematch but that isn't unheard of, considering that UGA/AU, UF/LSU, UA/UT all play each other yearly anyway so that possibiltiy has alwyas existed.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26046 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 7:24 am to
It is the SEC.
Complaining that something is too hard is something the ACC should do.

All i care about is DSOR, WLOC, and COFH. I dont care if we play bama, lsu, oklahoma, and texas every year (how come people bitch about cupcake games and not playing great conference opponents, but then get worried about balance or fairness when we can get everything we want?)
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
89776 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 7:36 am to
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Complaining that something is too hard is something the ACC should do.



It's not about "too hard" as much as it is about an equitable balance. From 1992 to present half of the historically 6 best all time teams in the league have been in the east and half in the west, and all 6 had another "big 6" cross division permanent rival. It was balanced. To now go to having 5 in one and 3 in the other simply isn't balanced. It's a pretty simple argument. And of course, just speaking personally, we probably won't win another title for at least 20 more years if that is how it shakes out which I ovbiously do not prefer.

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All i care about is DSOR, WLOC, and COFH


I also want to preserve those yearsly, which seems easily doable.

quote:

(how come people bitch about cupcake games and not playing great conference opponents, but then get worried about balance or fairness when we can get everything we want?)


I can't speak for "people" but I can speak for me and I have never bitched about it. Quite the opposite actually, I wish we played a lot more cupcakes. After our league-assigned SEC schedule and tech I wish the rest of our schedule was always filled out with the ULM's of the world. Makign things intentionally harder on yourself is pretty fricking stupid, IMO. Yet people clamor for it all the time.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61915 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 8:41 am to
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Yes I'm fully aware that Tennessee has been down and a team like Texas A&M is currently better, but the big 6 is the big 6 for a really good raeson and it's not just becuase of the last 10 years. For one division (ours, of course) to have 5 of the 8 best teams, including a team currently on the best run in cfb history, and the only division only having 3 is simply not fair or equal.


While I agree that the Big 6 is the Big 6 for a reason and thing all teams in the Big 6 should stay in the Big 6 (at least for the time being) I just don't think Tennessee will ever become a power again. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. But things have changed drastically the last 20 years since UT has been relevant. Recruiting especially. Of course, we are seeing another major shift in recruiting right now with NIL. Tennessee doesn't seem to have as a strong of a financial base as some others and coupled with their struggles the past 20 years things are not going to get any easier.

I also think it's a mistake to set divisions, pods or anything else up according to who is or is not a power at the moment. Those things change. Texas A&M has come on strong, and with NIL and their financial base will probably emerge into a long term power in football. The landscape of college football has changed drastically and will continue to change for the near future.

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Pods make by far the most logical sense when it comes to preserving traditional (remember tradition?) rivals and ensuring you play the other teams in this massive conference semi-regularly.
Tweaking scheduling would still allow traditional rivalries to go on. I mean with the way I had the conference divisions set up which traditional rivalries would be hard pressed to continue?
We could still play Florida and Auburn.
Alabama would still have Auburn and Tennessee.
With one permanent cross divisional rival game you could keep all traditional rival games intact that I can think of.

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Then since you still need to have a CCG just take the top 2 teams at the end regardless of pod and have them play.
With divisions it would be easy to pick the two best teams. With pods you would have 4 pod champions...which teams make the championship game. You said the two best, but now people would be using the eye test. You would be back to having essentially the 4 team playoff scenario of the #3 team arguing they should have been included in the CCG.

Posted by gulfportdawg
Gulfport, Ms.
Member since Sep 2012
970 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 8:46 am to
If they go with 4 pods, how will the SEC Champ be named? Seems to me that there would be too many "extra" games played. I say go to a 2 division conference, play a 10 SEC schedule, and have a championship game at seasons end.
Posted by agentoranj1990
Mableton
Member since Oct 2016
1209 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 3:16 pm to
I have to think that the AD's want to keep the traditional rivalries intact as a high priority. It seems the SEC needs to go to pods so you don't have the East division lopsided with higher ranked teams. I would assume if you have pods then it's SC, Ga, Fl, UT. Then we have one of our cross-pod games as Auburn every year; and the other teams will cross-pod rivals can do the same. I would assume the top 2 teams play for the SECCG irrespective of your pod.

The other realignment they could do is just add one team to each division that is joining. Add Texas in the East and Oklahoma in the west. I don't see moving 2 teams over from the current west division to the east. Bama or LSU makes it too lopsided. You can't split up Ole Miss and Miss St.
This post was edited on 8/11/21 at 3:18 pm
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61915 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 6:13 pm to
quote:

I have to think that the AD's want to keep the traditional rivalries intact as a high priority. It seems the SEC needs to go to pods so you don't have the East division lopsided with higher ranked teams.

Again.....isn't the west lopsided now? I mean, you believe they won't allow our division to be too difficult but they are allowing our division to be too easy?
If you try to assign teams to a particular division to make things "even" what do you do when it changes? Shake up the divisions again? It wasn't thta long ago that the division was lopsided in the other way. Georgia, Florida and Tennessee were the better teams and Alabama, LSU and Auburn were average at best.



There is no argument for pods that can't be accomplished through divisions.

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The other realignment they could do is just add one team to each division that is joining. Add Texas in the East and Oklahoma in the west. I don't see moving 2 teams over from the current west division to the east. Bama or LSU makes it too lopsided. You can't split up Ole Miss and Miss St.


Or you could just move Auburn and Alabama to the east and put Oklahoma and Texas to the west. Texas is pretty equal to Auburn and Oklahoma is close to Alabama.
Posted by ugacdawg
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2017
418 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 9:48 pm to
I could care less about annual rivalries, especially Georgia Tech. UF game must go to a hone and home. If we need to play UF every year put them in our pod. Every other year is plenty for Auburn in a 9 game conference rotation. I want more teams more often. No permanent matchups outside the pod.

The rapid rotation and limited permanent opponents accounts for schedule parity too as teams scale up and down in power over time since everyone plays everyone over two years.

If there are no clear win/loss leaders then use known tiebreaks in common opponents etc. if the playoff goes to 12 the top 4 are getting in no matter what.

You have to appeal to the kids too. They are going to favor visiting all the venues to play all over the SEC.
This post was edited on 8/11/21 at 9:55 pm
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26046 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 9:55 pm to
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You have to appeal to the kids too. They are going to favor visiting all the venues to play all over the SEC.



You think that is what kids worry about? Lol

They prefer the notre dame, clemson, seccg, playoff games than getting out to mississippi state before they declare early for the draft.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 10:24 pm to
quote:

Every other year is plenty for Auburn

GTFO... Deep South's Oldest Rivalry... eh, every other year's ok.

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