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The #1 seed in the CFP should be able to choose who they want to play first

Posted on 12/18/20 at 2:20 pm
Posted by Notrub14
New York City
Member since Dec 2018
960 posts
Posted on 12/18/20 at 2:20 pm
Sometimes the number 1 seed might prefer to play the second strongest team in the first game when they have a month to prepare and are the most fresh. In 2018, for example, I think Alabama would have preferred to play Clemson first and then play the winner of Oklahoma v. Notre Dame.

Assuming it's Alabama, OSU, Clemson and Notre Dame this year and Alabama is the number 1 seed, I think Alabama would play Notre Dame first no matter the seeding to avoid potentially playing both Clemson and OSU.
Posted by MillerLiteTime
Member since Aug 2018
3749 posts
Posted on 12/18/20 at 2:29 pm to
If the #1 seed gets stuck playing Ohio State, they really are getting screwed. Yes OSU is the "least deserving" but they are also probably the 2nd best overall team with their talent and lack of regular season injuries/fatigue.. If they are not deserving enough to be the #2 or #3 seed due to only playing 6 games, then just keep them out of the playoffs altogether.

If the games shake out as expected this weekend (Clemson beats ND), the best and most fair games would be #1 Bama v. #4 ND and #2 Clemson v. #3 Ohio St.
Posted by wareagle7298
Birmingham
Member since Dec 2013
3527 posts
Posted on 12/18/20 at 2:31 pm to
Here is to a ND vs Ohio St national championshit game
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
5220 posts
Posted on 12/18/20 at 2:32 pm to
Agree completely, MLT.
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
21419 posts
Posted on 12/18/20 at 2:36 pm to
Makes absolutely zero sense. There is no playoff system anywhere re any sport that allows a team to choose who it wants to play.
Posted by bigpapamac
Mobile, AL
Member since Oct 2007
22529 posts
Posted on 12/18/20 at 2:36 pm to
Ohio St will end up #3 if they win, that’s almost a lock. #1 Alabama, #2 ACC champ, #3 OSU. They’ll drop ND to #4 if they lose to Clemson. It could be justified regardless, but they’ll do it to avoid a 3rd ND-Clemson game, and 2nd in 12 days, in the semifinals.
This post was edited on 12/18/20 at 2:37 pm
Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
25060 posts
Posted on 12/18/20 at 2:40 pm to
For arguments sake, let's say Bama wins and is #1. If Notre Dame wins, they're number 2, Clemson is out, and Ohio State would move up to 3. If Clemson wins, they move to 2, Ohio State goes to 3, and Notre Dame probably is 4 (though Aggies or Iowa St could move to 4).

Either way, I don't see Bama playing Ohio St in the semis. They're the only team I don't see ending up at #4.
Posted by Notrub14
New York City
Member since Dec 2018
960 posts
Posted on 12/18/20 at 2:40 pm to
I think your second sentence is supposed to be a reason why it makes no sense, but it's not.

CFP already allows the number 1 team to choose location. Does any other playoff system allow that?
Posted by PikeBishop
Bristol, TN
Member since Feb 2014
975 posts
Posted on 12/18/20 at 2:44 pm to
If you're gonna call out another team in public like that, trying to pick a win like it's against Western Carolina or something, you damn sure better win it.

It would be a bold coach to want to get behind something like this in a playoff situation when you wouldn't be facing a pushover.

Posted by Notrub14
New York City
Member since Dec 2018
960 posts
Posted on 12/18/20 at 2:45 pm to
Agreed. It would add drama and strategy to the whole process. That's part of the reason to do it. Nick Saban on national tv calling out Notre Dame would be gold.
Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
21574 posts
Posted on 12/18/20 at 2:49 pm to
No offense, but I don't like the idea. Teams play based off of seeding. The CFP committee needs to ensure they get the seeding as close to "right" as possible. Then, it should take care of itself.

That said, I think there is a significant advantage in playing the more talented or complex teams first. It provides singularity in focus and prep for the known and allows more time to prepare.

The second round vs a less talented or dynamic team is an easier turn.

This holds very true for CNS, who places a great deal of effort into the preparation phase of the game.

I'd love to play tOSU in first round, as I think they are biggest threat closely ahead of a talented Clemson. However, that likely won't happen.

Assuming Bama beats UF, ND will likely either be #2 or #4 after tomorrow. Clemson will either be #2 or out. In either scenario, tOSU likely moves to #3. So, Bama draws either ND or whoever the CFP cmmtee slides into the #4 spot. That leaves the finals as the toughest game for Saban and Bama to prepare against.

Should Bama lose to UF, I think they fall to #2 or #3. ND will likely either be #1 or #4 in that scenario. Clemson will either be #1 or still out. tOSU likely moves to #2 or #3. That is the matchup I'd prefer RD 1.

Lots of variables in the above, but just best guesses on scenarios where Bama could draw best team first.
This post was edited on 12/18/20 at 2:50 pm
Posted by Notrub14
New York City
Member since Dec 2018
960 posts
Posted on 12/18/20 at 2:56 pm to
Thanks for the response. I don't exactly understand why you don't like the idea based on the rest of your post.

A system that has the highest seed play the lowest seed first seems to be based on an assumption that the number 1 seed should have the easiest path to advancing into later rounds. There's no good reason why that should be the assumption. And a different assumption, that actually makes more sense, is that the top team should have the easiest path to winning the playoff.
Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
21574 posts
Posted on 12/18/20 at 3:04 pm to
quote:

Thanks for the response. I don't exactly understand why you don't like the idea based on the rest of your post.

I'd rather see protocols that get the seeding as correct as possible, but recognize the subjectivity and focus on the wrong things is inherent in the process and makes the seeding imperfect.

That is why I'm against it. If we assume the seeding may not accurately reflect 3-4 in order of actual strength, it is safe to assume 1 is also sometimes an imperfect choice. They shouldn't have such an advantage. So, it wouldn't always benefit Alabama. The structure should be the structure. 1 vs 4, 2 vs 3.
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