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PFF: Why Kyle Trask is not an elite QB
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:38 am
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:38 am
PFF Hates Kyle Trask
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We received backlash for placing Trask at No. 5 in our SEC quarterback rankings that published prior to Week 7 — behind Alabama’s Mac Jones, LSU’s Myles Brennan, Ole Miss’ Matt Corral and Arkansas’ Feleipe Franks (although Trask is up to No. 4 following a disastrous performance by Corral in Week 7).
Despite the captivating box score, Trask has produced in 2020, earning a 78.8 passing grade that ranks fifth in the conference and 17th in the FBS. Removing his 2020 debut against Ole Miss, which we now know has the worst defense in the Power Five and possibly in the entire FBS, Trask’s passing grade dips to 64.1 — 10th in the SEC.
That's quite the opposite of what the public would expect for a player stuffing the stat sheet.
Trask's situation is nearly identical to what happened last year. Following a season-ending injury to Feleipe Franks, Florida’s starting quarterback at the time, in Week 3 of the 2019 season, Trask — then a redshirt junior who hadn’t started a game since his early years in high school — took over and led the Gators' offense. He would go onto finish the year with a 66.8% completion rate, 2,941 yards (8.3 yards per attempt) and a touchdown-to-interception ratio of 25 to 7.
Trask received rave reviews as a result, but he was the 80th-ranked passer in the FBS among 131 qualifiers in our grading system. Consequently, he came in at No. 48 in our 2020 preseason rankings of all 130 FBS quarterbacks.
While Trask’s 2019 and 2020 seasons are similar in that his box score stats make him out to be better than he is, they each came in different ways. There are a few improved areas for Trask this year, such as making a few throws downfield and avoiding bad decisions. Last year, Trask had the fourth-worst big-time throw to turnover-worthy play differential in the FBS, at -13 (9 to 22). Through three games this season, Trask has nearly matched his big-time throw total from last year (eight) and is on pace to cut his turnover-worthy play rate in half.
He has also looked a little more comfortable when under duress; he isn’t a complete statue in the pocket like he was in 2019. For example, Trask has tried to extend a play outside the pocket on 21% of his pressured dropbacks this year — more than double his rate last year. He was once allergic to abandoning the pocket when under pressure, which would result in him taking a sack or forcing a bad throw.
We have still seen that some in 2020 but nowhere to the degree of what it was in 2019, and we are starting to see a little — and I emphasize a little — more playmaking from Trask. I should add that this is an area most first-year starters struggle in before making a leap in Year 2.
There are, however, still a lot of red flags within his game. Most of Trask’s 2020 production has stemmed from scheme, play calling and a slew of playmakers at his disposal.
On throws of 9 yards or fewer downfield this season, Florida’s receiving unit has averaged the most yards after the catch per reception (8.7) and have turned 28% of such catches into an explosive play of 15 or more yards — 10 percentage points higher than any other SEC team. And Trask has generated a 130.4 passer rating on these throws, which also leads the SEC.
Last year, Trask threw to a receiver with open separation (more than a couple of steps from the nearest coverage defender) on 41.1% of his passes. That rate has spiked to 55.5% in 2020. This does not mean his receivers are separating at a higher rate downfield, though. In fact, it’s quite the opposite.
Trask is throwing to an open receiver on throws of 10-plus yards in 2020 nearly 10% less often than he did in 2019. This goes to show that coach Dan Mullen has created a lot of short, open throws for Trask and is giving the receivers room to make plays after the catch. And this can also partly explain that vast improvement in turnover-worthy play rate — the scheme is gifting him open receivers.
Trask certainly isn't a flat-out bad quarterback. We are trying to say he is just not nearly as good as what the public, box score and Florida’s offensive efficiency are making him out to be.
Florida’s passing offense is one of the most efficient in all of college football in terms of EPA per pass play. In short, EPA puts yards gained on a play into context — using down, distance and field position — to give the best measure of per-play efficiency. Plays that generate positive EPA are successful plays for the offense.
But just because a pass play generates positive EPA doesn’t mean the quarterback made a great throw. By comparing our play-by-play grading to those successful plays, we can verify whether it was the quarterback or ecosystem around him that was largely responsible for the play.
This is where it really gets interesting with Kyle Trask.
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As you can see in the graph above, Trask is tied for 11th in the SEC by percentage of positive EPA pass plays in which he also earned a positively graded throw.
Now, I understand EPA is not widely adopted and more traditional football fans are not going to lean on this metric. So, let’s dive into another metric that’s more simplistic and more well-known: Explosive pass plays that result in a gain of 15 or more yards. Below is the same type of graph shown above, but instead of EPA, we are looking at an offense's rate of explosive pass plays in which the quarterback received a positively graded throw.
This post was edited on 10/20/20 at 10:40 am
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:40 am to SummerOfGeorge
Not reading any of that but having him ranked behind Franks in any metric is retarded and further illustrates how god damned useless PFF is with their college evals.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:40 am to SummerOfGeorge
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PFF Hates Kyle Trask
They hated him last year as well.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:40 am to SummerOfGeorge
If anything this is a compliment on Dan Mullen's scheme. If there's one thing he consistently does, it's develop QB's
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:41 am to SummerOfGeorge
Basically he’s being penalized for throwing to the guy that is open
He’s had a few WTF moments this year (the A&M game INT that wasn’t because of a penalty) but is pretty hard to find fault with him.
He’s had a few WTF moments this year (the A&M game INT that wasn’t because of a penalty) but is pretty hard to find fault with him.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:42 am to boXerrumble
Yea, their basic takeaway is "he throws to open guys". I get that, but he also doesn't seem to make a ton of negative plays (he does make some dangerous throws).
The assumption that throwing to an open guy on time is just assumed and everyone can do it is pretty idiotic.
The assumption that throwing to an open guy on time is just assumed and everyone can do it is pretty idiotic.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:43 am to SummerOfGeorge
He seems to be forcing throws more now, maybe bc he knows they have to score damn nearly every time with their defense
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:43 am to SummerOfGeorge
He’s a gunslinger which is risk/reward because he makes dangerous throws, but in cases like that he throws guys open more often than the other way around.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:44 am to boXerrumble
I think they are, for whatever reason, making a long involved argument about Trask not being elite.
I agree with them. He is not elite.
But he is a good QB.
I agree with them. He is not elite.
But he is a good QB.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:44 am to SummerOfGeorge
I like PFF, but I don’t think their QB formula is very accurate
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:45 am to slayerxing
He’s made a noticeable improvement in his deep ball accuracy compared to last year, pocket awareness, and ability to make plays outside the pocket, probably being fully healthy has a lot to do with that.
Edit: for a college QB, he’s just a tad below Elite.
I do think he has a legit shot at an NFL career though.
Edit: for a college QB, he’s just a tad below Elite.
I do think he has a legit shot at an NFL career though.
This post was edited on 10/20/20 at 10:46 am
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:45 am to SummerOfGeorge
This is idiotic. He throws into coverage where his receivers can make plays incredibly well when he needs to. Punishing his score because he also knows how to progress reads and find the open guy is insane.
This post was edited on 10/20/20 at 10:47 am
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:51 am to SummerOfGeorge
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The assumption that throwing to an open guy on time is just assumed and everyone can do it is pretty idiotic.
Especially when its great players. Just imagine anyone in the NFL complaining about Ryan throwing to an open Julio each time.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:52 am to JesusQuintana
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I like PFF, but I don’t think their QB formula is very accurate
Agree - they should stop relying on their faulty assumptions and eyes and look more at their advanced stats.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:52 am to SummerOfGeorge
For the visual learners out there
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:52 am to Gatorbait2008
If Florida had any defense at all people would be talking about them Challenging Alabama because the offense is so good.
So yeah, I do think it's weird that they are spending so much energy making this argument.
So yeah, I do think it's weird that they are spending so much energy making this argument.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:54 am to slayerxing
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I think they are, for whatever reason, making a long involved argument about Trask not being elite.
I agree with them. He is not elite.
But he is a good QB.
I mean they have him 4th in the SEC after last weekend, that's pretty good and I think aligns with what you're saying.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:54 am to rockiee
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Especially when its great players. Just imagine anyone in the NFL complaining about Ryan throwing to an open Julio each time.
It was the same stuff with Tua on slants. Ball placement matters a ton, and discounting it completely while promoting the YAC of guys is silly.
Those guys aren't getting all that YAC if the throw makes them stop, break stride or dive. Part of the reason for the YAC is because they get the ball in a full sprint, and that's because the throw is on the money. Per these guys, that either doesn't matter or is just normal and not a positive.
Really silly.
This post was edited on 10/20/20 at 10:56 am
Posted on 10/20/20 at 11:17 am to SummerOfGeorge
PFF's QB grading system is absolute insanity lol.
If you're going to attribute all of Trask's success to the scheme how can you not look at Franks in our offense and compare?
Franks was a terrible passing QB in our system compared to Trask.
Trask is succeeding because he can make good reads, go through progressions quickly, and throw an accurate ball.
That is not the system, it's Trask.
If you're going to attribute all of Trask's success to the scheme how can you not look at Franks in our offense and compare?
Franks was a terrible passing QB in our system compared to Trask.
Trask is succeeding because he can make good reads, go through progressions quickly, and throw an accurate ball.
That is not the system, it's Trask.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 11:38 am to SummerOfGeorge
Their college product is trash.
The grades come from a bunch of part time dudes paid $15 per hour who never played the game, grading players based on 1s and 2s.
The NFL version is the gold standard tho. Upper echelon talent on that team. Good dudes who know the game.
The grades come from a bunch of part time dudes paid $15 per hour who never played the game, grading players based on 1s and 2s.
The NFL version is the gold standard tho. Upper echelon talent on that team. Good dudes who know the game.
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