re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time

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don’t want to pay your medical bills

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You don't understand how universal healthcare works. But sure have fun paying thousands for an x-ray all because you're scared of your taxes going towards saving people instead of arresting people for pot or proxy wars

I’m retired military sir, I don’t pay medical bills. You had the same option as well. Why do some many Canadians come to the states for healthcare if socialized medicine is so great?

Well for one the cost of M4A is not all that much higher than our current system. If we focus our taxes more on healthcare and not throwing people in jail for possession and stop spending hundreds of billions on regime change wars our tax increases won't be much if at all for some.

My overall point is that we cannot continue to have a system that bankrupts people simply because they got sick. Outside of the US medical bankruptcy is pretty much unheard of, that right there should show you how broken our system is.

Here's a year old article showing that 66% of all bankruptcies were due to medical issues
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That is not an answer.

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It certainly is an answer, M4A is a legit plan for universal healthcare that has been looked over by a large number of people all coming out to basically the same number which isn't much higher than our system we have now.

You're ignoring an actual solution for some stupid gotcha

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you are willing to pay your "fair share" of the cost

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Considering I pay my taxes I think the answer is obvious.

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you wanting someone else to pay for you.

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My taxes would go to healthcare just like everyone else's your logic is broken

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It certainly is an answer, M4A is a legit plan for universal healthcare that has been looked over by a large number of people all coming out to basically the same number which isn't much higher than our system we have now.

You're ignoring an actual solution for some stupid gotcha

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I'm game. Post the plan. I want to read the details. I want to throw out everything I think I know about something that I really don't know much about in the first place. Please post the plan and I promise to read it and contemplate it with unbiased fresh eyes and an open mind. All you have to do is post it. That's all I ask. I won't ask you to defend it. I won't ask you to clarify it. All I want is for you to post The Plan.

Thanks in advance.

Obviously not a estimates are the same but for M4A it's usally between $32 to $35 trillion over 10 years which equals out to $3.2 trillion to $3.5 trillion per year.

Now here's an article that tries to be a tad sensationalist with regards to M4A. It tries to act like M4A being $3.4 trillion per year is just insane

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However in 2018 we spent $3.65 trillion on healthcare so in other words we'd spend $36.5 trillion in ten years

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Here's some more studies saying that M4A would save us money

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Here's a small breakdown of Bernie's plan

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Also you can calculate how much you would spend under Bernie's plan

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Again there a lot of different studies that say different things however the overwhelming majority say we'd pay around $32 trillion to $36 trillion a year, so even if M4A did cost more than our current plan it wouldn't be by much. Even so I'd gladly pay slightly higher taxes if it meant I didn't have to worry about medical bankruptcy

Speaking of which, 66% of all bankruptcies are medical.
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Meanwhile in other countries the idea of medical bankruptcy is practically unheard of

I earned you twat. Earned it. Seems there is always a reason why people like you couldn’t serve.

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Even the Mercatus Center, a right-wing think tank, recently found about $2 trillion in net savings over 10 years from a single-payer Medicare for All system. Most importantly, everyone in America would have high-quality health care coverage.

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Administrative savings from Medicare for All would be about $600 billion a year. Savings on prescription drugs would be between $200 billion and $300 billion a year, if we paid about the same price as other wealthy countries pay for their drugs. A Medicare for All system would save still more with implementation of global health care spending budgets.

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Under both Sen. Bernie Sanders's (I-Vt.) Medicare for All bill and Rep. Pramila Jayapal's (D-Wash.) Medicare for All bill, patients would not pay deductibles or coinsurance when they receive medical care. Their bills also provide for vision, hearing and dental care, as well as long-term services and supports, such as home care and nursing home care.

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The government already pays for about two-thirds of health care costs. Among other things, it pays for Medicare, Medicaid, VA, TriCare and a wide range of state and local health care programs, along with private insurance for government employees and tax subsidies for private insurance.

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Allow Medicare to negotiate with the big drug companies to lower prescription drug prices with the Medicare Drug Price Negotiation Act.

Allow patients, pharmacists, and wholesalers to buy low-cost prescription drugs from Canada and other industrialized countries with the Affordable and Safe Prescription Drug Importation Act.

Cut prescription drug prices in half, with the Prescription Drug Price Relief Act, by pegging prices to the median drug price in five major countries: Canada, the United Kingdom, France, Germany, and Japan.

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Additionally, a report from the World Health Organization also cites research that “within the United Kingdom, sickness or disability accounted for 5% of households in financial difficulties

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