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Targeting rule good or bad...
Posted on 5/21/20 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 5/21/20 at 9:01 pm
Flipped over to ESPN and caught Clemson vs Alabama Natty game on.
I have seen 2 targeting calls ( if today’s rules apply) just in 3rd quarter, that would be ejections. Both by defensive stars.
Boulware & Foster
Interesting, to reflect on old games and see the leading with helmet, I guess I kinda see why they trying to clean that up.
I have seen 2 targeting calls ( if today’s rules apply) just in 3rd quarter, that would be ejections. Both by defensive stars.
Boulware & Foster
Interesting, to reflect on old games and see the leading with helmet, I guess I kinda see why they trying to clean that up.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 9:05 pm to UnoMe
Targetting rules were in effect several years before that game, without replay review.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 9:11 pm to UnoMe
Called right good, not right, horrible.
Launch, intent, crown, target.
Incidental helmet contact or a offensive player falling it the the hit zone, bullshite.
Launch, intent, crown, target.
Incidental helmet contact or a offensive player falling it the the hit zone, bullshite.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 9:23 pm to UnoMe
Should be broken down into two categories
1. Targeting without malice - 15 yard penalty and automatic 1st down.
This is inadvertent contact to the head or neck of a player. The Illegal contact was unintentional and not premeditated or performed with intent.
Most targeting is this type. An example would be when Clemson’s linebacker Skalski was ejected in the championship game.
2) Intentional Targeting with Malice - the intentional lowering of the head with the intent to use the crown of the helmet for contact or intentional Contact to a players head and / or neck area with malice.
An example would be Oklahoma’s Radley-Hiles‘ hit on CEH in the Peach bowl.
15 yard penalty, 1st down, player ejected for remainder of game. If penalty takes place in the fourth quarter, the player is out for first quarter of the next game.
1. Targeting without malice - 15 yard penalty and automatic 1st down.
This is inadvertent contact to the head or neck of a player. The Illegal contact was unintentional and not premeditated or performed with intent.
Most targeting is this type. An example would be when Clemson’s linebacker Skalski was ejected in the championship game.
2) Intentional Targeting with Malice - the intentional lowering of the head with the intent to use the crown of the helmet for contact or intentional Contact to a players head and / or neck area with malice.
An example would be Oklahoma’s Radley-Hiles‘ hit on CEH in the Peach bowl.
15 yard penalty, 1st down, player ejected for remainder of game. If penalty takes place in the fourth quarter, the player is out for first quarter of the next game.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:11 am to UnoMe
I get why the rule is there, and I agree with the sentiment. I just wish they would reserve the ejection for the more egregious calls. The incidental hits should be a penalty and nothing more. Not every head to head contact is intentional or avoidable.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:14 am to UnoMe
Understand the reasoning, find the execution lacking and debatable.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:10 am to UnoMe
The rule is fine as-is it just needs to be called on offensive players too.
Basically when helmet-to-helmet contact occurs the replay booth should make a determination on which player holds responsibility. I’ve seen a few calls where the tackling player was going for an otherwise clean tackle only to be called for targeting because the RB gave him a headbutt at the last second. I’d imaging some coaches are instructing RBs to try to draw targeting calls tbh.
As far as the ejection, maybe there does need to be some provision for leniency in freak situations, but the severe penalty is there to drive home to the players (and viewers) that safety is important to the collegiate variant of the game. Too much wiggle room would defeat the purpose.
Basically when helmet-to-helmet contact occurs the replay booth should make a determination on which player holds responsibility. I’ve seen a few calls where the tackling player was going for an otherwise clean tackle only to be called for targeting because the RB gave him a headbutt at the last second. I’d imaging some coaches are instructing RBs to try to draw targeting calls tbh.
As far as the ejection, maybe there does need to be some provision for leniency in freak situations, but the severe penalty is there to drive home to the players (and viewers) that safety is important to the collegiate variant of the game. Too much wiggle room would defeat the purpose.
This post was edited on 5/22/20 at 10:14 am
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:13 am to UnoMe
regardless, let the guy stay on the bench. Hauling them off the field is just stupid.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 12:29 pm to UnoMe
Adopt the rule how the NFL does it. Ridiculous how the player is kicked out of the game.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 12:32 pm to UnoMe
What’s the point of playing football if you can’t take someone’s head off
Posted on 5/22/20 at 12:44 pm to UnoMe
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Flipped over to ESPN and caught Clemson vs Alabama Natty game on.
I have seen 2 targeting calls ( if today’s rules apply) just in 3rd quarter, that would be ejections. Both by defensive stars.
Boulware & Foster
Interesting, to reflect on old games and see the leading with helmet, I guess I kinda see why they trying to clean that up.
I'd like to see these plays you are talking about, because the #1 thing I've learned about targeting over the years is that most people don't really understand what is targeting and what is not.
Sadly, the refs seem to fall into that category more times than not.
The most common problem is people don't understand a guy running with the ball is not defenseless.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 12:48 pm to UnoMe
It's a bad rule as written because it doesn't take into account that wearing a helmet makes your head and the opponent's head "bigger". Meaning there is an inch+ or so extra sticking out away from your skull that your proprioceptive senses cannot account for. Same inch or so for the other guy. The facemask sticks out further. Your self-movement and sense of body position in space are skewed. Players know right where their hands and feet are because they are not encumbered by a big plastic dome around them.
Add that to the fact that the plays happen in split-second quickness, and you are bound to hit someone in the head in a given game even if you try not to.
I get that some players actually do target an opponent, but so often it gets called the same way on guys who are just trying to make a football play.
Add that to the fact that the plays happen in split-second quickness, and you are bound to hit someone in the head in a given game even if you try not to.
I get that some players actually do target an opponent, but so often it gets called the same way on guys who are just trying to make a football play.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 1:20 pm to UnoMe
Like others have said, needs to be divided into deliberate vs incidental contact with the latter being 15 yards and that's it.
Very difficult to enforce I know, but I think its better than the shitshow we have now.
Very difficult to enforce I know, but I think its better than the shitshow we have now.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 1:42 pm to UnoMe
jumping into a qb shoving him in the chest = bad
Posted on 5/22/20 at 1:53 pm to UnoMe
The penalty is fine. The ejection part needs to be altered. The officials should decide between targeting with malicious intent and targeting without intent.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 1:59 pm to UnoMe
quote:
Flipped over to ESPN and caught Clemson vs Alabama Natty game on.
I have seen 2 targeting calls ( if today’s rules apply) just in 3rd quarter, that would be ejections. Both by defensive stars.
Boulware & Foster
Interesting, to reflect on old games and see the leading with helmet, I guess I kinda see why they trying to clean that up
The reason the newer targeting rules are crappy is that the Refs could have simply enforced the "spearing rules" which have been on the books for at least 70 years
Refs for some idiotic reason stopped calling spearing and now we have these new targeting rules that also punish "crown-of-the-shoulder-pad-contact" that is delivered above the waist and to the ball carrier's numbers which had been legal contact and clean football forever, but now since it is violent contact it has been made illegal, not because it is dirty, it has been made illegal due to its effectiveness & violence
I'm confused as to why not just tell the Officials to simply call spearing when the defender leads with the crown of the helmet, instead they have gone too far and are now penalizing defenders leading with the crown of the shoulder pad - which had been "clean FB" since the game was created
Just my opinion
Posted on 5/22/20 at 3:24 pm to UnoMe
Mostly good, but there needs to be maybe a higher standard for ejecting players.
If you launch helmet first and you aren't looking than you should deal with the consequences. Thats the point of the rule
but I have seen it happen when an offensive player lowers his head at the last minute and is just as blindly leading with his helmet.
Also little ticky tack ones like White's vs Miss State (which wasn't targeting as he lead with his hand)
If you launch helmet first and you aren't looking than you should deal with the consequences. Thats the point of the rule
but I have seen it happen when an offensive player lowers his head at the last minute and is just as blindly leading with his helmet.
Also little ticky tack ones like White's vs Miss State (which wasn't targeting as he lead with his hand)
Posted on 5/22/20 at 3:34 pm to UnoMe
Terrible rule
MFGA - Bring back the violence
MFGA - Bring back the violence
Posted on 5/22/20 at 3:43 pm to UnoMe
Targeting is fine but it’s punishment is awful, and it needs to account for offensive player movements such as the wr lowering his own helmet.
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