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Targeting rule good or bad...

Posted on 5/21/20 at 9:01 pm
Posted by UnoMe
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Posted on 5/21/20 at 9:01 pm
Flipped over to ESPN and caught Clemson vs Alabama Natty game on.

I have seen 2 targeting calls ( if today’s rules apply) just in 3rd quarter, that would be ejections. Both by defensive stars.

Boulware & Foster

Interesting, to reflect on old games and see the leading with helmet, I guess I kinda see why they trying to clean that up.
Posted by Ted2010
Member since Oct 2010
38958 posts
Posted on 5/21/20 at 9:02 pm to
#FreeDevinWhite
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64610 posts
Posted on 5/21/20 at 9:05 pm to
Targetting rules were in effect several years before that game, without replay review.
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
11363 posts
Posted on 5/21/20 at 9:11 pm to
Called right good, not right, horrible.

Launch, intent, crown, target.

Incidental helmet contact or a offensive player falling it the the hit zone, bullshite.
Posted by Wtxtiger
Gonzales la
Member since Feb 2011
7257 posts
Posted on 5/21/20 at 9:23 pm to
Should be broken down into two categories
1. Targeting without malice - 15 yard penalty and automatic 1st down.
This is inadvertent contact to the head or neck of a player. The Illegal contact was unintentional and not premeditated or performed with intent.
Most targeting is this type. An example would be when Clemson’s linebacker Skalski was ejected in the championship game.
2) Intentional Targeting with Malice - the intentional lowering of the head with the intent to use the crown of the helmet for contact or intentional Contact to a players head and / or neck area with malice.
An example would be Oklahoma’s Radley-Hiles‘ hit on CEH in the Peach bowl.

15 yard penalty, 1st down, player ejected for remainder of game. If penalty takes place in the fourth quarter, the player is out for first quarter of the next game.
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
18664 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:11 am to
I get why the rule is there, and I agree with the sentiment. I just wish they would reserve the ejection for the more egregious calls. The incidental hits should be a penalty and nothing more. Not every head to head contact is intentional or avoidable.
Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
31050 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:14 am to
Understand the reasoning, find the execution lacking and debatable.
Posted by PlateJohnsonIII
Member since Feb 2020
6159 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:10 am to
The rule is fine as-is it just needs to be called on offensive players too.

Basically when helmet-to-helmet contact occurs the replay booth should make a determination on which player holds responsibility. I’ve seen a few calls where the tackling player was going for an otherwise clean tackle only to be called for targeting because the RB gave him a headbutt at the last second. I’d imaging some coaches are instructing RBs to try to draw targeting calls tbh.

As far as the ejection, maybe there does need to be some provision for leniency in freak situations, but the severe penalty is there to drive home to the players (and viewers) that safety is important to the collegiate variant of the game. Too much wiggle room would defeat the purpose.
This post was edited on 5/22/20 at 10:14 am
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36703 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 10:13 am to
regardless, let the guy stay on the bench. Hauling them off the field is just stupid.
Posted by Exit40Reb
Brookhaven, MS
Member since Jun 2017
98 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 12:29 pm to
Adopt the rule how the NFL does it. Ridiculous how the player is kicked out of the game.
Posted by sand mountainDvalues
Member since Oct 2018
8718 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 12:32 pm to
What’s the point of playing football if you can’t take someone’s head off
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
23035 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 12:44 pm to
quote:

Flipped over to ESPN and caught Clemson vs Alabama Natty game on.

I have seen 2 targeting calls ( if today’s rules apply) just in 3rd quarter, that would be ejections. Both by defensive stars.

Boulware & Foster

Interesting, to reflect on old games and see the leading with helmet, I guess I kinda see why they trying to clean that up.


I'd like to see these plays you are talking about, because the #1 thing I've learned about targeting over the years is that most people don't really understand what is targeting and what is not.

Sadly, the refs seem to fall into that category more times than not.

The most common problem is people don't understand a guy running with the ball is not defenseless.
Posted by NineLineBind
LA....no, the other one
Member since May 2020
7046 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 12:48 pm to
It's a bad rule as written because it doesn't take into account that wearing a helmet makes your head and the opponent's head "bigger". Meaning there is an inch+ or so extra sticking out away from your skull that your proprioceptive senses cannot account for. Same inch or so for the other guy. The facemask sticks out further. Your self-movement and sense of body position in space are skewed. Players know right where their hands and feet are because they are not encumbered by a big plastic dome around them.

Add that to the fact that the plays happen in split-second quickness, and you are bound to hit someone in the head in a given game even if you try not to.

I get that some players actually do target an opponent, but so often it gets called the same way on guys who are just trying to make a football play.
Posted by Sponge
Member since Nov 2018
3838 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 1:20 pm to
Like others have said, needs to be divided into deliberate vs incidental contact with the latter being 15 yards and that's it.

Very difficult to enforce I know, but I think its better than the shitshow we have now.
Posted by arcalades
USA
Member since Feb 2014
19276 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 1:42 pm to
jumping into a qb shoving him in the chest = bad
Posted by SmithsAuFan
San Diego, CA
Member since Jul 2013
1670 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 1:53 pm to
The penalty is fine. The ejection part needs to be altered. The officials should decide between targeting with malicious intent and targeting without intent.
Posted by PeeJayScammedGT
Kennesaw, GA
Member since Oct 2019
2148 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 1:59 pm to
quote:

Flipped over to ESPN and caught Clemson vs Alabama Natty game on.

I have seen 2 targeting calls ( if today’s rules apply) just in 3rd quarter, that would be ejections. Both by defensive stars.

Boulware & Foster

Interesting, to reflect on old games and see the leading with helmet, I guess I kinda see why they trying to clean that up

The reason the newer targeting rules are crappy is that the Refs could have simply enforced the "spearing rules" which have been on the books for at least 70 years

Refs for some idiotic reason stopped calling spearing and now we have these new targeting rules that also punish "crown-of-the-shoulder-pad-contact" that is delivered above the waist and to the ball carrier's numbers which had been legal contact and clean football forever, but now since it is violent contact it has been made illegal, not because it is dirty, it has been made illegal due to its effectiveness & violence

I'm confused as to why not just tell the Officials to simply call spearing when the defender leads with the crown of the helmet, instead they have gone too far and are now penalizing defenders leading with the crown of the shoulder pad - which had been "clean FB" since the game was created

Just my opinion
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
67750 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 3:24 pm to
Mostly good, but there needs to be maybe a higher standard for ejecting players.

If you launch helmet first and you aren't looking than you should deal with the consequences. Thats the point of the rule

but I have seen it happen when an offensive player lowers his head at the last minute and is just as blindly leading with his helmet.

Also little ticky tack ones like White's vs Miss State (which wasn't targeting as he lead with his hand)
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30525 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 3:34 pm to
Terrible rule

MFGA - Bring back the violence
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
33184 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 3:43 pm to
Targeting is fine but it’s punishment is awful, and it needs to account for offensive player movements such as the wr lowering his own helmet.
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