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This is why I hate a Committee making the decisions
Posted on 11/6/19 at 8:49 am
Posted on 11/6/19 at 8:49 am
A perfect example:
Two teams from the same Conference....
*Oklahoma is 7-1
*Baylor is 8-0
*Oklahoma has defeated zero teams in the Top 25
*Baylor has defeated TWO teams in the Top 25
*Oklahoma LOST at #16 Kansas State by 7 points
*Baylor WON at #16 Kansas State by 19 points
What basis would one have to rank Oklahoma ahead of Baylor at this point in the season? But of course, the Committee did just that, ranking 7-1 Oklahoma at #9 and undefeated Baylor at #12.
This is a perfect example of "Brand" trumping actual facts and results on the field. It's also the same reason Ohio State came in at #1 ahead of LSU who clearly has the better resume.
Two teams from the same Conference....
*Oklahoma is 7-1
*Baylor is 8-0
*Oklahoma has defeated zero teams in the Top 25
*Baylor has defeated TWO teams in the Top 25
*Oklahoma LOST at #16 Kansas State by 7 points
*Baylor WON at #16 Kansas State by 19 points
What basis would one have to rank Oklahoma ahead of Baylor at this point in the season? But of course, the Committee did just that, ranking 7-1 Oklahoma at #9 and undefeated Baylor at #12.
This is a perfect example of "Brand" trumping actual facts and results on the field. It's also the same reason Ohio State came in at #1 ahead of LSU who clearly has the better resume.
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Posted on 11/6/19 at 8:51 am to BHMKyle
Hard to argue with your point. Things will be much clearer in a few weeks though.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 8:51 am to BHMKyle
Absolutely amazing the turn around Baylor has made.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 8:52 am to BHMKyle
I’m completely fine with OSU being ranked #1.
I do agree that Baylor got shafted though
I do agree that Baylor got shafted though
Posted on 11/6/19 at 8:53 am to BHMKyle
Only bright side is this will be settled on the field.
Still, your point stands.
Still, your point stands.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 8:55 am to BHMKyle
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It's also the same reason Ohio State came in at #1 ahead of LSU who clearly has the better resume.
Ohio State is ranked higher in advanced metrics and has a better SOS. They also beat their top 2 opponents by 73 points.
They have a better resume
Posted on 11/6/19 at 8:55 am to BHMKyle
Posted on 11/6/19 at 8:56 am to BHMKyle
I think this boils down to the eye test and who they think would win the most games if these teams play 10 games at a neutral site.
I think Oklahoma would win 8/10. The playoff committee is about ranking the best teams, not the teams with the best records.
I think they did a pretty good job and this will be settled on the field.
I think Oklahoma would win 8/10. The playoff committee is about ranking the best teams, not the teams with the best records.
I think they did a pretty good job and this will be settled on the field.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 8:59 am to BHMKyle
The members of the committee are subject to the same biases and habits of the people who vote in the AP, the old outdated system that people complained about. It's BS.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:00 am to BHMKyle
That's why any system using opinion polls as the basis of determining a champion is biased and flawed. If you're going to use opinion polls, just go back to poll champions. If you want to have a playoff, use an objective tournament of champions.
The reason so many people don't want a tournament of champions is that, in their OPINION, some conference champions are "better" than others. But you don't objectively know that until they play.
Under the current system, 75% of the field is automatically disqualified from the championship at the START of the season. That's just stupid. Everyone bitches and moans about the poll system, but no one wants to go to an objective system. The fact of the matter is that everyone hates opinions - unless they agree with them.
That's called hypocrisy.
The reason so many people don't want a tournament of champions is that, in their OPINION, some conference champions are "better" than others. But you don't objectively know that until they play.
Under the current system, 75% of the field is automatically disqualified from the championship at the START of the season. That's just stupid. Everyone bitches and moans about the poll system, but no one wants to go to an objective system. The fact of the matter is that everyone hates opinions - unless they agree with them.
That's called hypocrisy.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:03 am to BHMKyle
You make a strong point especially with the Oklahoma/Baylor argument. I wonder if anyone has asked this question and what excuse the committee would give. You see stuff like this in the polls all the time but you would think that a group of people placing the teams would see this and discuss why or how this happened and fix it.
Is that what they do or are the only really deciding the top 4 -6 ?
Is that what they do or are the only really deciding the top 4 -6 ?
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:04 am to BHMKyle
Baylor/OU will be settled on the field anyways in 2 weeks.
If Baylor beats them and Texas they’ll be where they need to be. I’ll be shocked if they do, they have a lot of very close wins over pretty shitty teams
If Baylor beats them and Texas they’ll be where they need to be. I’ll be shocked if they do, they have a lot of very close wins over pretty shitty teams
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:05 am to BHMKyle
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What basis would one have to rank Oklahoma ahead of Baylor at this point in the season? But of course, the Committee did just that, ranking 7-1 Oklahoma at #9 and undefeated Baylor at #12. This is a perfect example of "Brand" trumping actual facts and results on the field.
SOR: Oklahoma 15 | Baylor 5
SP+: Oklahoma 4 | Baylor 15
FPI: Oklahoma 7 | Baylor 21
Avg: Oklahoma 9 | Baylor 14
Nov-16: Oklahoma vs Baylor (FPI: OU 75%)
B12 CG: Oklahoma vs Baylor (rematch?)
How much are you gonna bet Baylor beats OU?
This post was edited on 11/6/19 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:06 am to BHMKyle
You all hated the BCS for putting Bama #2 in 2011
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:12 am to BHMKyle
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:16 am to BHMKyle
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This is a perfect example of "Brand" trumping actual facts and results on the field. It's also the same reason Ohio State came in at #1 ahead of LSU who clearly has the better resume.
Maybe, but every major poll (AP and Coaches) both think Oklahoma is better than Baylor. I do too, for that matter.
But, as another poster said, it will become clearer soon. Oklahoma plays Baylor. This is better than the BCS, and I think, as a whole the Playoff committee has gotten it right every year, so far. I can't think of a year in which they messed up.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:19 am to BHMKyle
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This is a perfect example of "Brand" trumping actual facts and results on the field. It's also the same reason Ohio State came in at #1 ahead of LSU who clearly has the better resume.
FPI has Oklahoma 7 and Baylor 21
SP+ has Oklahoma 4 and Baylor 15
It isn't "brand", Baylor just isn't as good as OU. Baylor beat Rice by 8, went to double OT with Texas Tech, beat WVU by 3.
OU has the bad loss @KSU, but every metric says they are a better team. They play next weekend so it'll even itself out then.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:27 am to BHMKyle
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This is a perfect example of "Brand" trumping actual facts and results on the field. It's also the same reason Ohio State came in at #1 ahead of LSU who clearly has the better resume.
I don't think brand had anything to do with Ohio State coming in at #1; if it had, Ohio State wouldn't have been left out of the play-offs the past two years. Ohio State is #1 in Offensive Efficiency, #2 in Defensive Efficiency, and #1 in Overall Efficiency. They also stomped two ranked teams (Wiscy 38-7, Cincy 42-0) and have easily handled the lesser teams as they should. In addition to the committee, most computer models (Sagarin, Colley, & Massey) have Ohio State as #1 as well.
There are strong arguments for ranking either OSU or LSU at #1, but brand is not one of them...
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What basis would one have to rank Oklahoma ahead of Baylor at this point in the season? But of course, the Committee did just that, ranking 7-1 Oklahoma at #9 and undefeated Baylor at #12.
Even if it wasn't by committee, most have OU ranked ahead of Baylor (AP, Coaches, Sagarin, Massey, Billingsley); only Colley had Baylor above OU (they also have Cincinnati ranked above Alabama). OU also has a much higher overall Efficiency rating. While I think Oklahoma is the better team here, brand might've played a role in this particular instance; but since they play one another, it'll all wash out in the end.
And initial ratings in the CFP are overrated any way; heard on the radio this morning that the top ranked team in the initial poll has never won the CFP and the third ranked team has never even made the CFP Final Four...
This post was edited on 11/6/19 at 9:32 am
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:34 am to BHMKyle
Yeah, that's complete bullshite. Baylor should be ranked ahead. Absolutely no question.
People can't go 5 mins without doing stupid shite.
People can't go 5 mins without doing stupid shite.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:34 am to BHMKyle
I agree we should have Lord Commander Darth Saban to be the only one making the decisions
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