re: Media are generally idiots when it comes to defining dynasties

Mmmmmmmmm, Kentucky?


UCLA was the definition of a dynasty

Random.

Gotcha.
Well the reason i say that is because for the Yankees they’ve had a number of different owners through their time.
A number of individuals in their glory times of the 20s-50s, then sold to CBS, then again to George Steinbrenner

ETA so i guess this is right too although under CBS ownership they were awful

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Mmmmmmmmm, Kentucky?

UCLA was the definition of a dynasty

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Dennis: I mean, if I went 'round saying I was an emperor, just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away! - Monty Python's Holy Grail


Kentucky has won 8 with 5 DIFFERENT coaches and 5 DIFFERENT decades

John Wooden won 10 as a singular coach and with the $$$$ help of Sam Gilbert

Wooden started coaching in 1946 at Indiana State (future home of Larry Bird) and went to UCLA in 1948 and in the 1950's had 30% seasons with 10 or more losses. In 1960 he had 12 losses and in 1962 he had 11 losses then Sam Gilbert* aka Papa Sam shows up and suddenly the Bruins are going undefeated or losing a game or 2 a season. Even Bill Walton said he made more money at UCLA than he did in the pros.


Wooden before Gilbert was a respectable ~.650 coach
Wooden with Gilbert became a elite ~.950 coach




* Sam Gilbert on Wik LINK

Sam Gilbert (1913 - November 23, 1987) was an American businessman who owned a construction company in Los Angeles, California. He is best known as a controversial athletic booster of the UCLA Bruins men's basketball team from the mid-1960s until UCLA was ordered to disassociate from him in 1981. He ran a money-laundering enterprise to finance the now-famous World Poker Tour tour stop called the Bicycle Casino, for which he was posthumously indicted in 1987.

Watch a movie called "Blue Chips" for a fictional account of college basketball that might not be so fictional. The team even uses UCLA's colors in the movie. NCAA allows the worst cheaters to get off like Wooden and Smith (worst academic cheating scandal in history originated with Smith) and their competition to get hammered for minor offenses (UK for 1,000 / IU for texting / NCST for accusations in a book that later proved false)

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Technically, you’re right in what a Dynasty means. But terminology has changed some or has been updated over the years. It can have several meanings.

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Just because some media folks cheapen the word using it for click bait does not mean they are correct, technically or otherwise!

The principle question is could success be repeated and could it be sustained. What you list as dynasties are actually runs and cheapen the actual schools who have legitimate ones like Oklahoma who clearly has won at the highest level with different coaches, players, AD's, and college presidents (AD's and Presidents substituting for owners as they are schools).

If you can really tell me with a straight face that Free Shoes U has the same dynastic credentials as Oklahoma I would accuse you of drinking too much Tallahassee KoolAid (or maybe eating too many stolen crabs). Sooners have won at the highest level in completely different eras with different offensive and defensive schemes. While Miami did ride the rocket for about a decade how come they could not sustain it? Could it be the Cocaine Cowboys of south Florida of that era coupled with the "U" and Thug Ball allowed short term success but not sustainable success? Fast forward and now everybody plays Thug Ball to some extent and most of the Cocaine Cowboys are dead or in jail. Miami's success has fallen when they no longer had a competitive edge like Wooden had at UCLA with Gilbert.


Here is the Sooners data from Wik
7 claimed MNC's
10 unclaimed MNC's (Alabama numbers for sure)

4 different decades
3 different coaches

Unseen on said data is Sooners have been unafraid to play the best to be the best while folks like Bowden played soft schedule with 1 or 2 marquee game to avoid that extra loss or two that would keep him out of the MNC hunt.

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Dynasties are uninterrupted success.

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That is what the media would like you t5o believe but it does not make it true. It only becomes true if you allow the media to bent your will and accept their clickbait standards over the actual standards. If you really are a Sooner fan and not an alter, I am surprised your would forego your own schools true dynastic claim for some pretenders.

I’ll chime in later with a more detailed reply. You bring up great points and I don’t disagree. I’ll get some time later to give a more extensive reply. Good stuff CG!

I'll never get this last 10 minutes back --> maybe that will help me qualify sooner than later as a DIE-nasty

Great post, Grits.

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UCLA basketball. 12 titles over 3 decades

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but only one coach!!!!