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Posted on 12/4/18 at 3:59 pm to PepaSpray
I agree.
Also, paging BowlJackson. I have a question about this. Or anyone I guess.
This kid was discharged from the army correct? Anyone know why? I think I saw something about that.
Also, paging BowlJackson. I have a question about this. Or anyone I guess.
This kid was discharged from the army correct? Anyone know why? I think I saw something about that.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 4:33 pm to BowlJackson
Private Autopsy reveals Bradford was shot 3 times from behind while running away
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The review was conducted by the chief forensic pathologist for the Washington D.C. area Dr. Roger Mitchell, Crump said. Mitchell met with Chief Medical Examiner of Jefferson County Dr. Gregory Davis and reviewed all autopsy photographs and directly observed the body.
The results of that review, as provided by Crump and Baraganier, show Bradford was shot three times: Once in the head, once in the neck, and once in the back. The bullets all entered the 21-year-old’s body from the back, the report showed. Mitchell also noted in the report that each of the three bullets entered the body at a slightly upward angle.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 4:38 pm to momentoftruth87
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This kid was discharged from the army correct? Anyone know why? I think I saw something about that
I actually read some comments from his recruiter in the immediate aftermath. He was discharged during basic training and said they couldn't disclose exact reasons, but other people who knew him were saying it was for medical reasons and the recruiter didn't imply otherwise. The recruiter also said he had just spoken to Bradford less than a week before the shooting, again he wouldn't give any details but sounded like Bradford was possibly trying to take another shot at the military. So if that's the case then I would be inclined to believe that his discharge was indeed medical and not for any disciplinary reasons.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 4:44 pm to BowlJackson
I may be wrong, but I believe they can confirm if it was a dishonorable discharge. If it was medical, there are HIPAA laws that likely prevent any further info being released, rather than military rules.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 7:02 pm to BowlJackson
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Private Autopsy reveals Bradford was shot 3 times from behind while running away
well, that'll be damaging to the whole self defense claim of why he had a gun in his hand.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 10:26 am to MoarKilometers
Attorney's for Bradford's family view mall shooting video
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On Thursday, November 29, Florida-based civil rights lawyer Benjamin Crump Jr., along with Rodney Barganier and Frankie Lee of Birmingham, viewed about 30 seconds of video at the offices of the Alabama Law Enforcement Agency (ALEA), which is overseeing the investigation. They did so at the invitation of Jefferson County District Attorney Danny Carr and Bessemer Cutoff District Attorney Lynneice Washington, both of whom were at the viewing.
“It was a courtesy to the family and the lawyers,” Carr said. “But also, because we believe in total transparency for this process.”
Members of the family did not attend because it conflicted with final preparations for the public viewing Bradford’s body
Posted on 12/7/18 at 10:35 am to BowlJackson
2 Ross Bridge Security Guards hurt in protest over Hoover mall police shooting
This Chaverst kid is a complete idiot. Typical Birmingham to produce this clown as some sort of "leader". Nobody is even really trying to argue with them because for the most part everybody agrees, but they don't care. They're just want an excuse to cause chaos. This Chaverst moron is up there smirking in every interview like its all some big fun joke.
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One security guard at Renaissance Birmingham Ross Bridge Golf Resort suffered an arm injury when he tried to keep the entry doors closed as protesters tried to enter the hotel lobby. A second security guard was knocked over trying to block protesters from entering a stairwell. He suffered a knee injury.
Hoover City Administrator Allan Rice said both men went to the free-standing emergency room for X-rays and treatment. Police reports were filed on both incidents. Neither incident was witnessed by police so arrests weren’t made.
However, both victims will be following up with Hoover Municipal Court magistrates today to pursue criminal charges. "
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One of the lead protesters, Carlos Chaverst Jr., denies reports that protesters hurt anyone. "Nobody touched nobody. It’s completely false. Nobody touched any security guard,'' Chaverst said. “The security guard pushed me and I’m going to file charges against one of the security guards. When we got to the door they started pushing us.”
"I’m getting ready to file an assault charge against the security guard,'' he said. “If that’s how they want to play, we’re going to play the same game.”
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Since Bradford’s death, multiple protests have been held in Hoover including at the mall, outside Hoover Mayor Frank Brocato’s home, Sam’s Club, Walmart, Buffalo Wild Wings and on Interstate 459, where protests shut down traffic at the Interstate 65 interchange for about 20 minutes. Thursday night a group of about 60 took their protest to Ross Bridge and later the YMCA on Highway 150 at South Shades Crest Road.
Teams of police officers from Hoover, as well as Jefferson and Shelby county sheriff’s deputies, were prepared to respond to protests Thursday night. The protesters were only in the hotel for about 10 minutes. They then left the hotel and continued on Ross Bridge Parkway. Police blocked Highway 150, forcing traffic to turn left onto Highway 150.
They briefly demonstrated in the far end of the parking lot near Highway 150 before police again asked them to leave. They were at YMCA for around 15 or 20 minutes.
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Jefferson County sheriff’s deputies stopped Elijah King, who was driving the car Chaverst was riding in near the Shell gas station across from the YMCA. King was given a ticket for allegedly stopping while driving on Highway 150, Chaverst said. Chaverst claimed they stopped because “the car was running hot.”
Both King and Chaverst repeatedly asked for an attorney and argued with the officers. They pulled away after King eventually signed the citation. Chaverst called the deputies “racist cops” in the live video.
This Chaverst kid is a complete idiot. Typical Birmingham to produce this clown as some sort of "leader". Nobody is even really trying to argue with them because for the most part everybody agrees, but they don't care. They're just want an excuse to cause chaos. This Chaverst moron is up there smirking in every interview like its all some big fun joke.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 10:43 am to BowlJackson
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This Chaverst kid is a complete idiot.
Yep. I'm all for protesting, but he's being a complete arse about it.
Posted on 2/5/19 at 1:18 pm to The Spleen
Hoover cop justified
TLDR version, the guy the police shot was running toward the initial gunshot victim with his gun drawn and the cop popped off 3 rounds
TLDR version, the guy the police shot was running toward the initial gunshot victim with his gun drawn and the cop popped off 3 rounds
Posted on 2/5/19 at 6:16 pm to parrothead
Posted on 2/5/19 at 6:37 pm to MoarKilometers
Is there footage?
Posted on 2/5/19 at 7:31 pm to KSGamecock
Here is the surveillance footage: LINK
I doubt they'll ever release the body cam footage, at least not willingly because of this little tidbit:
The family is taking the position that EJ was going for his friends because they had run off through the JC Penny and he initially started to go the other way, and that he had his gun drawn for protection.
From the cops perspective in that moment, it would be an easy conclusion to jump to that Bradford was the shooter and going to finish off the dude who had started the fight... But it is not going to play well that they didn't give any verbal commands and shot to kill from behind without him ever knowing they were they or having a chance to surrender.
LINK
Protesters are already back out too LINK
I doubt they'll ever release the body cam footage, at least not willingly because of this little tidbit:
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The attorney also said the body cam footage, which wasn’t released to the media or shown to the family Tuesday, shows two officers “fist bumping” over Bradford’s dead body.
The family is taking the position that EJ was going for his friends because they had run off through the JC Penny and he initially started to go the other way, and that he had his gun drawn for protection.
From the cops perspective in that moment, it would be an easy conclusion to jump to that Bradford was the shooter and going to finish off the dude who had started the fight... But it is not going to play well that they didn't give any verbal commands and shot to kill from behind without him ever knowing they were they or having a chance to surrender.
LINK
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“My son was murdered. And you think I’m going to let it go?,” Emantic Bradford Sr. said after the meeting. “That was a homicide… you killed my son. You are a coward. You’re a coward too, Steve Marshall.”
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“We’re in Alabama. It’s still cool to kill a black man,” Bradford Sr. said Tuesday. “It ain’t over. It ain’t over at all. Bottom line, I am going to have justice for my son and you’re going to deal with it.”
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Crump, a nationally known civil rights attorney, said Bradford ran away from the shooting before realizing his friend Wilson wasn’t with him. “The video tells the whole story,” Crump said. “He was running away, like everybody else… He took his gun out and went back, trying to protect his friend,” Crump said.
“E.J. Bradford had absolutely nothing to do with the initial altercation,” Crump said, adding Marshall had enough evidence with the surveillance video and body camera footage to charge the police officer.
Protesters are already back out too LINK
Posted on 2/5/19 at 7:36 pm to BowlJackson
quote:According to the AL.com article, witnesses said the cops told him to drop the gun before they fired.
But it is not going to play well that they didn't give any verbal commands
Posted on 2/5/19 at 7:42 pm to pvilleguru
The attorney General said otherwise:
The officer statements do say that AFTER they killed Bradford, they ordered the other injured man and the man helping him onto their stomachs and asked if they were armed. Maybe that's what the witnesses were remembering.
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Marshall noted that the officer was unable to provide verbal commands to Bradford before firing his weapon due to the quickness of the event and immediate threat Bradford posed to Wilson and his friend.
The officer statements do say that AFTER they killed Bradford, they ordered the other injured man and the man helping him onto their stomachs and asked if they were armed. Maybe that's what the witnesses were remembering.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 1:16 am to BowlJackson
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But it is not going to play well that they didn't give any verbal commands and shot to kill from behind without him ever knowing they were they or having a chance to surrender.
It was an active shooting with a guy running around with a gun in hand. There's 0 obligation to give a surrender command when other lives are possibly at risk.
I was actually thinking of this thread Monday. An officer, who is personally known to me as a fricking liar, put 6 bullets into a friend's 18 year old son. Still waiting on confirmation of whether there was actually a gun. They're being intentionally unclear by repeatedly stating officer thought he saw a weapon. Officer has little credibility with me, but sometimes even kids in gifted classes do extremely dumb shite. No riots, protests, nothing... parents even asked that we refrain from talking to the media. Barely 50 hours in, so if it goes sideways, will start that thread.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 3:21 am to MoarKilometers
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It was an active shooting with a guy running around with a gun in hand. There's 0 obligation to give a surrender command when other lives are possibly at risk.
I'm trying to wrap my head around this. So if I find myself in the middle of an active shooter situation and take out my legal handgun to protect myself or others, then see an opening to leave the area and take off running and a policeman sees me then he can just gun me down?
Note I am not arguing the mall shooting just your statement re active shootings and lack of announcement.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 4:13 am to MoarKilometers
In this situation with his back turned to the officers, they were at a huge advantage. With their guns already drawn on him and his back turned they would have had time to react to any move he made before he could even see and react to them. If ever there was an opportunity to confront a man with a gun from that close, that's about the best possible chance.
Im not sure you would be so quick to accept that if that was one of your loved ones in that video and you watched their life get taken in a split second decision, gunned down from behind without so much as a warning.
Also try to imagine yourself in a similar situation. You're in the middle of a shooting, you don't see any cops in, you are legally carrying a gun. Would you pull it? Would it even cross your mind that the police might come rushing in and kill you without any warning? Should citizens have to start thinking about whether or not it's safer to take their chances unarmed when their life is already in danger?
This just isn't how law enforcement is supposed to work in this country. Our whole judicial system is founded on giving people a chance, innocent until proven guilty. Give the man a chance to stop and if he doesn't take that chance then take appropriate action from there. Sometimes people leave the police with no other option and that's just the way it is, but in this case there was still another option.
That's a terrible tragedy about your friends son btw. Sounds like another case where there will always be lingering questions and no answer will ever truly be good enough.
Im not sure you would be so quick to accept that if that was one of your loved ones in that video and you watched their life get taken in a split second decision, gunned down from behind without so much as a warning.
Also try to imagine yourself in a similar situation. You're in the middle of a shooting, you don't see any cops in, you are legally carrying a gun. Would you pull it? Would it even cross your mind that the police might come rushing in and kill you without any warning? Should citizens have to start thinking about whether or not it's safer to take their chances unarmed when their life is already in danger?
This just isn't how law enforcement is supposed to work in this country. Our whole judicial system is founded on giving people a chance, innocent until proven guilty. Give the man a chance to stop and if he doesn't take that chance then take appropriate action from there. Sometimes people leave the police with no other option and that's just the way it is, but in this case there was still another option.
That's a terrible tragedy about your friends son btw. Sounds like another case where there will always be lingering questions and no answer will ever truly be good enough.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 6:02 am to Obtuse1
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I'm trying to wrap my head around this. So if I find myself in the middle of an active shooter situation and take out my legal handgun to protect myself or others, then see an opening to leave the area and take off running and a policeman sees me then he can just gun me down?
Note I am not arguing the mall shooting just your statement re active shootings and lack of announcement.
Well you tried to call it a legal handgun in an area that carrying is not allowed. Virtually impossible to separate the 2 issues there. But glossing past that, cops shoot other undercovers, in non active shooter scenarios, a couple times a year give or take. They look out for themselves first, others cops 2nd. Purely a risk to strongly consider when pulling out a gun in public, especially at an active scene.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 6:35 am to MoarKilometers
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Well you tried to call it a legal handgun in an area that carrying is not allowed.
You made a general statement with no mention of the no carry zone. I responded with a general reply making a note to call it a legal carry and point out I was not discussing the mall scenario specifically.
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