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re: How about this Auburn controversy
Posted on 10/29/18 at 11:36 am to Teague
Posted on 10/29/18 at 11:36 am to Teague
Since you want to be obtuse and pretend not to know what we are talking about:
Freedom OF (or FOR) religion: The state that exists when each individual may choose for themselves which religion, or irreligion, they will personally adhere to, and when each individual, or groups of individuals, may freely exercise that choice in private or public without restriction.
Freedom FROM religion: The state that exists when public religious expression is discouraged or disallowed for any reason whatsoever.
Compare these to:
State-mandated religion (or irreligion): The state that exists when allowable religious choice is dictated to each individual by the government.
Our nation is quite clearly founded upon the first principle.
Freedom OF (or FOR) religion: The state that exists when each individual may choose for themselves which religion, or irreligion, they will personally adhere to, and when each individual, or groups of individuals, may freely exercise that choice in private or public without restriction.
Freedom FROM religion: The state that exists when public religious expression is discouraged or disallowed for any reason whatsoever.
Compare these to:
State-mandated religion (or irreligion): The state that exists when allowable religious choice is dictated to each individual by the government.
Our nation is quite clearly founded upon the first principle.
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Posted on 10/29/18 at 11:41 am to TheTideMustRoll
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speaking as the mouthpiece of the state
How do you determine if it's as the mouthpiece of the state? You can't. That's why it isn't (supposed to be) allowed in any instance. If my boss hires a person to sell me insurance, I assume the insurance is sanctioned by my boss.
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Would you have a problem with the government-sanctioned official stepping aside and allowing a student to lead a public prayer?
I've already mentioned that's perfectly legal.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:45 pm to Teague
Dude, is this the argument you’re going for?
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:48 pm to Tennjed
Well if you’re willing to ignore the fundamentals of this country being established on Christian values, and if you’re willing to ignore the perpetually problems that plague predominantly Muslim countries, then yes I guess it would be no issue to help establish the Muslim faith here. But why would they need to come to a country founded in Christian values?
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:50 pm to pvilleguru
What does the phrase “One nation under God” mean?
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:55 pm to DawgsLife
Wow man, what a great and compelling argument. I am impressed.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:57 pm to jnethe1
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What does the phrase “One nation under God” mean?
That was added in 1954.
A few of the founding fathers weren't religious.
Thomas Jefferson was a known Diest.
Having said that, this is bullshite. I played baseball at a public college and our team prayed. Never bothered me and I was never pressured into Christianity
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:58 pm to Lg
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Sure I do, but because a judge or judges rule one way or another has no bearing on the intent of the Framers. Why do you think the left faught so vehemently against Kavanaugh. What would happen if a conservative court ruled that that wasn't the intent of the law?
Well given that Christianity is dying, it’s not really a concern.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 11:00 pm to BhamBlazeDog
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Frick these types of people. I’m sure they’ll change their minds just a tad too late when their asses are on fire down below.
Or yours because you chose the wrong god to worship. Pascal’s wager. The odds are not in your favor.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 11:01 pm to dcbl
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Vote republican
Religion in government is the very reason I refuse to vote republican now.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 11:03 pm to WV Sage
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The real truth in America today is Minority’s Rule..... What the Majority favors (which is the core of a Democracy).... no longer matters.... One rule of thought fits all....
Completely false statement on every level.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 11:09 pm to DawgsLife
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Sure they can...but entertain, just for a moment, that there is a God and see that the fake ideas possibly could come form those that try to squash religion form every area of life. Do you see the danger in that?
If you can provide quantifiable and testable evidence of this god then I will believe it. Until then, you may as well be saying Unicorns created the universe.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 11:15 pm to DawgsLife
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So, it is okay for Muslims to hold prayer at school, but Christians cannot. One teacher was fired for giving a Bible to a student who asked for it.
No student has ever been stopped from praying. Most schools provide a “meditation” time for this specific purpose. It just can’t be led (or isn’t supposed to be) by a school official.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 11:17 pm to Guava Jelly
Curiously, this foundation NEVER seems to have a problem with the huge Menorah on the White House Lawn, each Hanukkah season.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 11:17 pm to Clutch Cargo
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I’m no Auburn apologist but that’s just stupid and the fact that it is even an issue tells you all you need to know about what is wrong with America.
Says the side that cries about the "war on Christmas."
Posted on 10/29/18 at 11:18 pm to CaptainBrannigan
Why is there a Menorah on the White House Lawn each December, but not a nativity scene?
Posted on 10/29/18 at 11:19 pm to InGAButLoveBama
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Why is there a Menorah on the White House Lawn each December, but not a nativity scene?
Stop trying to get me banned.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 11:20 pm to AshLSU
Most schools do NOT hold meditation time, despite research proving that meditation helps manage stress.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 11:21 pm to AshLSU
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Most schools provide a “meditation” time for this specific purpose. It just can’t be led (or isn’t supposed to be) by a school official.
Which is perfect. Besides, if you are truly a believer and serious about your faith, do you want a random public school teacher leading and/or teaching your kid some government sanctioned version of Christianity? I mean, I sure as heck don't.
Let my kid do her own study and the other kids can do their own study, meditation, reading a book, napping, whatever. That's the definition of freedom.
They have some sort of quiet/meditation time at my kids school, but it's definitely not billed as anything more than a break with lights down and no talking (which is still good).
This post was edited on 10/29/18 at 11:22 pm
Posted on 10/29/18 at 11:22 pm to InGAButLoveBama
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Most schools do NOT hold meditation time, despite research proving that meditation helps manage stress.
All the schools around here do. But even if they don’t, any student can still pray anytime they choose to.
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