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re: Georgia fan shares racist comments made by UGA baseball player toward Justin Fields
Posted on 10/4/18 at 10:30 am to Snoop1911
Posted on 10/4/18 at 10:30 am to Snoop1911
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Instead of questioning why you can or can't say it just don't say it. How hard can that be?
I'll question what I wish. And to answer your question, it'd be pretty damn hard unless you plan on imposing draconian style sanctions on anyone caught uttering it. That's not how language works. Especially coarse language.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 10:44 am to TbirdSpur2010
I was saying it in General not only to you, but people are arguing the context in which it's being said and not the meaning behind it. It has a history to it and to dismiss that and the reaction to it is baffling
Posted on 10/4/18 at 10:49 am to TbirdSpur2010
Also no one is telling you u can't say it. Say it all u want in private but in public people will have a reaction to it. Do u curse in church? No one is saying u can't curse but u respect the people around u and the place where you are so u don't say it in public because people will have a reaction to it.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 10:49 am to Snoop1911
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I was saying it in General not only to you, but people are arguing the context in which it's being said and not the meaning behind it. It has a history to it and to dismiss that and the reaction to it is baffling
It has also evolved over time and to ignore that evolution by simply using "No one can say it" is to ignore the fact that a group of people took something that was meant to be hateful and utterly derogatory, flipped it on it's ear and made it their own.
Over the years it has filtered down into other demographics. I'm not saying there shouldn't be consequences because obviously there are. But intent, context and the company in which it's used matter. It isn't the same as it has always been.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 10:50 am to TbirdSpur2010
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Time to stop treating black people like we're too stupid to figure out when the word is being used as a pejorative or not. Time for black people to stop the double standard of allowing the word based on the speaker, regardless of context. The whole exercise is retarded.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 10:51 am to Snoop1911
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people are arguing the context in which it's being said and not the meaning behind it. It has a history to it
All words have history. The problem arises when we allow history to carry more weight than context. That's topsy-turvy when it comes to word etymology.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 10:52 am to Snoop1911
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Also no one is telling you u can't say it. Say it all u want in private but in public people will have a reaction to it. Do u curse in church? No one is saying u can't curse but u respect the people around u and the place where you are so u don't say it in public because people will have a reaction to it.
I agree with this. My mama is in church three to five days a week. I cuss, but never around mama. It's the same thing with the N word. You just have to know your crowd, or suffer the consequences.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 10:54 am to Snoop1911
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Also no one is telling you u can't say it.
Actually that's exactly what the girl in OP said and what people have said in this very thread.
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Say it all u want in private but in public people will have a reaction to it.
The same applies to the vast majority of coarse language.
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Do u curse in church? No one is saying u can't curse but u respect the people around u and the place where you are so u don't say it in public because people will have a reaction to it.
The first part of your post is cogent to context, which I already addressed and agree with. The second has to do with 1st Amendment restriction, and I'm not down with that.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 11:13 am to CarolinaGamecock99
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Georgia fan shares racist comments made by UGA baseball player toward Justin Fields
Posted on 10/4/18 at 11:15 am to HTDawg
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Are you serious with this BS? So the girl is a SJW because she outed some idiot calling the QB a ******? I'm also not sure how outing a racist statement is equivalent to claiming there was a KKK rally in Sanford Stadium. The idiot said it and UGA did what they had to. Good riddance.
She was an SJW because of what was on her social media...while I'm certain that she was overjoyed to report this transgression, it does appear that this dumbass actually was yelling "ni**er", repeatedly in a freaking stadium. I despise that word and I have met very few white people that use it in any other way than to express hatred and the presumption that it is possible to tell someone's character by their skin tone, which is every bit as bad as eugenics.
I, and anyone else paying attention the last 3 years, have seen one SJW after another concoct stories in order to be granted SJW-status points...victimhood by proxy...everybody wants to be Sandra Bullock in The Blind Side. So I'm always skeptical and I also always recommend waiting until something is corroborated before folks grab their torches and pitch forks. But as it turned out, this dude was every bit the racist dumbass as was reported. Good riddance. Turned out I was wrong...don't blame me though for doubting her story...blame those other idiots that keep fabricating racist events that didn't happen or were hoaxes
Posted on 10/4/18 at 11:24 am to TbirdSpur2010
quote:See, I don't think it would have been blown up if he had said, "Put in my ni99a"
Incorrect. Like with any coarse/crass language, it's all about context. Time to stop treating black people like we're too stupid to figure out when the word is being used as a pejorative or not. Time for black people to stop the double standard of allowing the word based on the speaker, regardless of context. The whole exercise is retarded.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 11:30 am to TeLeFaWx
quote:Do other slurs have the storied history behind them? They aren't equal because the histories aren't equal.
No other racial slur causes this much drama.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 11:36 am to TbirdSpur2010
The word is obviously offensive to blacks who hear it uttered by whites. Yet, the prevalency of its’ use in rap music must surely have a mitigating effect on younger millennials.
However, in this era of the oppressed versus the oppressor, this single word lays the groundwork for a post modernism threat to change our way of life. Today, no word conjures such hate and acrimony as the dreaded N-word. What about tomorrow? Could a list of unacceptable words grip our society to the point where next our thoughts are subject to the scrutiny of identity politics.
We may not be far off from the type of world painted by Orwell.
However, in this era of the oppressed versus the oppressor, this single word lays the groundwork for a post modernism threat to change our way of life. Today, no word conjures such hate and acrimony as the dreaded N-word. What about tomorrow? Could a list of unacceptable words grip our society to the point where next our thoughts are subject to the scrutiny of identity politics.
We may not be far off from the type of world painted by Orwell.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 11:48 am to CarolinaGamecock99
Equal rights equal opportunity ,if it’s OK for black people to say it. It should be OK for white people to say it, but white people must put A at the end instead of er. never use it in a racist way That’s when it becomes unacceptable
Posted on 10/4/18 at 11:50 am to CarolinaGamecock99
this calls for extra popcorn.
Wasn't the KKK founded in Georgia? Clearly this is a legacy KKK. He probably didn't even have to rush.
Wasn't the KKK founded in Georgia? Clearly this is a legacy KKK. He probably didn't even have to rush.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 11:57 am to Pentagon69
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The word is obviously offensive to blacks who hear it uttered by whites.
I am black. Just hearing a white person utter the word isn't offensive to me. Context matters. I can tell if it's being used as a pejorative or not.
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the prevalency of its’ use in rap music must surely have a mitigating effect on younger millennials.
I'm also a millenial. The word's prevalence in pop culture ("a" vs. "er" notwithstanding) has indeed seemed to have an ameliorating effect overall--yet the absurd double standard still remains in many circles.
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Today, no word conjures such hate and acrimony as the dreaded N-word. What about tomorrow? Could a list of unacceptable words grip our society to the point where next our thoughts are subject to the scrutiny of identity politics. We may not be far off from the type of world painted by Orwell.
Spot on, IMO.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 12:00 pm to CNB
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Georgia fan shares racist comments made by UGA baseball player toward Justin Fields
Why are y’all so concerned about saying that word? It’s one word. It’s not hard to not say it.
I think you may be missing my point on this. As I mentioned in my earlier post in the thread, you can't walk down any public middle school hallway without hearing it these days. Yes, you and I and other mature whites understand not to use the word (in any form or variation). However, you have to admit that younger kids, without proper parenting, growing up and subjected to its usage every day could potentially begin to feel safe using it as well.
I've heard younger whites use the word when greeting blacks without the black person becoming upset. Also as I stated earlier, when I grew up we never used the word and hardly heard it except for some of the older white men in town.
Point is, I don't believe the word is so "black and white" for the younger generation as it was for us.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 12:01 pm to MontyFranklyn
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See, I don't think it would have been blown up if he had said, "Put in my ni99a"
Perhaps not. Which is also silly
Posted on 10/4/18 at 12:02 pm to Pentagon69
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The word is obviously offensive to blacks who hear it uttered by whites.
Bingo, it doesn't matter how or where it's used it's offensive and there are consequences to it like it or not.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 12:03 pm to Snoop1911
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The word is obviously offensive to blacks who hear it uttered by whites.
Bingo
No "bingo." You don't get to speak for all black people
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