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Disgruntled fan bases proclaim Les Miles could save their program, but "Is Les More?"
Posted on 9/11/18 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 9/11/18 at 8:21 pm
The season is young, but the annual tradition of calling for head coaching changes has already begun. I see lots of commenters speculating about saviors for their programs, and no name comes up more than Les Miles. Even though most references to The Mad Hatter seem a bit tongue in cheek, I wondered if I could quantify Miles’ potential impact on a program. Really, is Les more?
TL;DR: I’m not really sure. The data is a bit unclear, and that in itself should make fan bases hesitate. It appears Les would improve your recruiting, but that the talent might not translate into wins.
Gif of analysis (you can pause it in the bottom left corner if it's too fast to read): https://i.imgur.com/NyxQ9Hb.gifv
Tableau dashboard of analysis (so you can explore the data at your own pace): https://public.tableau.com/profile/thepeoplesbard#!/vizhome/LesIsMore/IsLesMore?publish=yes
Caveat::
This analysis presumes that head coaches operate in a vacuum, which is of course absurd. Strength of schedule, bad referees, QB hangnails, etc., etc. all influence any coach’s overall success. But I’m comfortable sharing my results because I’m a shitposter and also because it’s a healthy thought exercise to analyze the data you do have access to. Anyway, none of these factors outside of a coach's control seem to stop anyone else here from judging them.
Methodology:
In my mind, coaches are best judged by their wins and their recruitment. So I counted Miles' wins and found his recruitment ranking (247 Sports) for every year he was a head coach. To avoid analyzing him in a vacuum, I also considered the success of the coaches that followed and preceeded him.
Analysis:
--Over Miles' 15 seasons as a head coach, he averaged 9.3 wins a season and the 13th best recruiting class. That seems good!
--Looking at trend lines, Miles appears to have improved as a winner and a recruiter over those 15 years. That also seems good!
--However, drawing separate lines for each coaching stint shows a winning down trend at LSU. Hmmm. His inability to cash in on the talent he recruited--although undeniably great--is often cited as the major factor for his departure.
--Comparing Miles to other coaches' at these programs, the case for him becomes less compelling, although that is partly driven by the high quality of the coach Miles followed and preceeded. At Oklahoma State, it appears Mike Gundy has on average been a lesser recruiter than Miles, and yet he has averaged more wins. Miles and Saban's tenures at LSU appear to be a bit of a wash, and it's too soon to say on Orgeron.
Results:
"Is Les more?" is a relative question. More than what? Each fan base would need to independently assess if Miles is more than what they have now. But I think my work shows Miles isn't an obvious slam dunk. On the face of it, he seems to recruit with the best of them...but that doesn't mean he'll win.
This analysis was conducted under the auspices of https://twitter.com/ESPMisery/status/1039677902361645056, which is committed to telling the stories of losers.
Originally posted on reddit here: https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/9f32cm/ive_noticed_disgruntled_fan_bases_proclaiming_les/
TL;DR: I’m not really sure. The data is a bit unclear, and that in itself should make fan bases hesitate. It appears Les would improve your recruiting, but that the talent might not translate into wins.
Gif of analysis (you can pause it in the bottom left corner if it's too fast to read): https://i.imgur.com/NyxQ9Hb.gifv
Tableau dashboard of analysis (so you can explore the data at your own pace): https://public.tableau.com/profile/thepeoplesbard#!/vizhome/LesIsMore/IsLesMore?publish=yes
Caveat::
This analysis presumes that head coaches operate in a vacuum, which is of course absurd. Strength of schedule, bad referees, QB hangnails, etc., etc. all influence any coach’s overall success. But I’m comfortable sharing my results because I’m a shitposter and also because it’s a healthy thought exercise to analyze the data you do have access to. Anyway, none of these factors outside of a coach's control seem to stop anyone else here from judging them.
Methodology:
In my mind, coaches are best judged by their wins and their recruitment. So I counted Miles' wins and found his recruitment ranking (247 Sports) for every year he was a head coach. To avoid analyzing him in a vacuum, I also considered the success of the coaches that followed and preceeded him.
Analysis:
--Over Miles' 15 seasons as a head coach, he averaged 9.3 wins a season and the 13th best recruiting class. That seems good!
--Looking at trend lines, Miles appears to have improved as a winner and a recruiter over those 15 years. That also seems good!
--However, drawing separate lines for each coaching stint shows a winning down trend at LSU. Hmmm. His inability to cash in on the talent he recruited--although undeniably great--is often cited as the major factor for his departure.
--Comparing Miles to other coaches' at these programs, the case for him becomes less compelling, although that is partly driven by the high quality of the coach Miles followed and preceeded. At Oklahoma State, it appears Mike Gundy has on average been a lesser recruiter than Miles, and yet he has averaged more wins. Miles and Saban's tenures at LSU appear to be a bit of a wash, and it's too soon to say on Orgeron.
Results:
"Is Les more?" is a relative question. More than what? Each fan base would need to independently assess if Miles is more than what they have now. But I think my work shows Miles isn't an obvious slam dunk. On the face of it, he seems to recruit with the best of them...but that doesn't mean he'll win.
This analysis was conducted under the auspices of https://twitter.com/ESPMisery/status/1039677902361645056, which is committed to telling the stories of losers.
Originally posted on reddit here: https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/9f32cm/ive_noticed_disgruntled_fan_bases_proclaiming_les/
Posted on 9/11/18 at 8:28 pm to ThePeoplesDawg
Les is most definitely less
Posted on 9/11/18 at 8:30 pm to ThePeoplesDawg
I quit reading pretty early. No funny no care
Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:02 pm to ThePeoplesDawg
You forget the most important part. Les has no interest in coaching. It seems as if he tanked the interviews on purpose.
He is making fat cash and living the dream.
He is making fat cash and living the dream.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:08 pm to ThePeoplesDawg
My mother went to high school with les. Says he ways a retard. I have held that opinion throughout his career. At least he was "our" dumbass for a long time
He won because of talent. Not scheme
He won because of talent. Not scheme
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 9/11/18 at 9:08 pm to ThePeoplesDawg
quote:
but that the talent might not translate into wins.
Les could win a lot of games at a lot of schools. And probably leave the program in solid shape when he retires in a few short years. But don't expect him to beat the Dark Lord of the South.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 10:04 pm to ThePeoplesDawg
He would be a great hire at the right school. If a school like a Kasnas or North Carolina hired him it would bring a lot of buzz and positive attention to the program. I would think recruiting would go up as he is still very recognizable and was always very good at recruiting.
Texas of course would never do it and they would have been laughed at if they would have hired Miles over Herman, but I think they would have been better off with Miles. Texas recruiting would have been through the roof and Texas needed to get more physical. That has been their consistent issue over the past 8 years. A Miles coached team will always play physical and with maximum effort. Of course we also know some of his drawbacks.
Texas of course would never do it and they would have been laughed at if they would have hired Miles over Herman, but I think they would have been better off with Miles. Texas recruiting would have been through the roof and Texas needed to get more physical. That has been their consistent issue over the past 8 years. A Miles coached team will always play physical and with maximum effort. Of course we also know some of his drawbacks.
Posted on 9/11/18 at 10:15 pm to ThePeoplesDawg
No one is reading all that!!!
Posted on 9/11/18 at 10:16 pm to ThePeoplesDawg
All smiles with Miles
Posted on 9/11/18 at 10:26 pm to Drizzt
quote:
Les is most definitely less
Well His name is Les(S). So that does seem about right.
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