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re: Alabama players prayed with/for our president

Posted on 4/11/18 at 2:51 pm to
Posted by coachcrisp
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Posted on 4/11/18 at 2:51 pm to
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There’s far more to all the other mainstream religions than there is Christianity.
Most are far older.


Not really. Hinduism is the only older major religion, and if you research it you'll find great similarities in it and Judaism, which is the foundation for Christianity. Islam is closely tied to Judaism, also.
Actually the 3 have "ironically" many thing in common.
This post was edited on 4/11/18 at 2:56 pm
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 4/11/18 at 2:52 pm to
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I think it’s that simple. People tend to adopt what’s convenient, familiar, and will meet the approval of their peers. That goes for everything from clothing styles to religion.

I do think that people do what you are describing, but that does not make it right or true. Just as many scientists disagree on subjects, religions disagree on things. But they all can't be right because they are so contradictory. For instance, there are many theories of evolution or even of how the universe was created in science. But they all can't be right, can they? But one has to be right. I mean, we know the Universe is here, so it came into being somehow. Just because they don't all agree doesn't mean they are all wrong.
Posted by PNW
Northern Rockies
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 4/11/18 at 2:53 pm to
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but prayer is man’s greatest power.


What has it proven?
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 4/11/18 at 2:54 pm to
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There’s far more to all the other mainstream religions than there is Christianity.
Most are far older.


Being older doesn't necessarily mean something is right. Fir instance. I am 61 and my wife will tell you in a heartbeat I am wrong about all kinds of things!


*She's wrong, though. I really am right!*
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 4/11/18 at 2:55 pm to
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but prayer is man’s greatest power.


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What has it proven?

The purpose of prayer isn't to "prove" anything.
Posted by PNW
Northern Rockies
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 4/11/18 at 3:00 pm to
Its purpose is to what then, hope?

Hoping something happens is wasting time and energy on what you can not control.

Get that shite out of here
This post was edited on 4/11/18 at 3:01 pm
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 4/11/18 at 3:01 pm to
How can you say it's man's greatest power without knowing it's actual power?
Posted by PNW
Northern Rockies
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 4/11/18 at 3:03 pm to
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Being older doesn't necessarily mean something is right. Fir instance. I am 61 and my wife will tell you in a heartbeat I am wrong about all kinds of things!


This is just selfish as hell. What you think is true doesn’t mean someone else finds the same “belief” in truth. That’s the problem with religion: it’s very close minded.
Posted by Vecchio Cane
Ivory Tower
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 4/11/18 at 3:07 pm to
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What you think is true doesn’t mean someone else finds the same “belief” in truth. That’s the problem with religion: it’s very close minded.


Are you saying that there is more than one truth?
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58952 posts
Posted on 4/11/18 at 3:08 pm to
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How can you say it's man's greatest power without knowing it's actual power?
I didn't say that....but I do believe that. It is faith. Belief.
You would call something a coincidence or luck or explain things away in some way. We might point and say power of prayer. It's always funny how people will ascribe some things to luck while also requiring scientific back up on other things.

Hey, look. I'll talk about this all day long if you guys want. But I will have my faith and believe what I believe, and you will, most likely go on not believing.
If you are truly interested in knowing more I will stick around and talk, but if you just want to "prove me wrong" or convince me what I believe is fallacy we are wasting our time. It's totally up to you....but I will say, that i appreciate you guys discussing this with respect.
Posted by PNW
Northern Rockies
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 4/11/18 at 3:08 pm to
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Are you saying that there is more than one truth?


What I’m saying is I don’t believe in organized religion. I believe in facts. A religious truth based on a judgmental book is not believable to me.

Science is truth.
This post was edited on 4/11/18 at 3:09 pm
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58952 posts
Posted on 4/11/18 at 3:09 pm to
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That’s the problem with religion: it’s very close minded.

Isn't almost everything? I mean, are you not being closed minded by dismissing our beliefs out of hand?
Posted by PNW
Northern Rockies
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Posted on 4/11/18 at 3:09 pm to
More power to ya

Go dawgs
Posted by PNW
Northern Rockies
Member since Mar 2014
6193 posts
Posted on 4/11/18 at 3:10 pm to
I don’t judge you for believing in what you want to believe, but throwing religion at people is not okay.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 4/11/18 at 3:10 pm to
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Are you saying that there is more than one truth?


I'd say a lot of people mistake a belief for truth.
Posted by Vecchio Cane
Ivory Tower
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 4/11/18 at 3:11 pm to
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What I’m saying is I don’t believe in organized religion. I believe in facts. A religious truth based on a judgmental book is not believable to me. Science is truth.


Wasn't being critical, I just didn't understand the first statement
Posted by Vecchio Cane
Ivory Tower
Member since Jul 2016
17878 posts
Posted on 4/11/18 at 3:12 pm to
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a lot of people mistake a belief for truth.


^^^this is definitely truth^^^
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58952 posts
Posted on 4/11/18 at 3:19 pm to
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Science is truth.

Really? And science has all the answers? Did science have the answers when scientists thought the earth was flat? I mean it's not like almost every area of science has not been proven wrong in one area or other.

Medicine
evolution
creation of the universe
you can on and on about how science has been wrong or changed it's course on all of these subjects. We scientists in all these fields today that disagree on how different aspects occur.

Science taught us about the evolutionary chain. The Nebraska Man was taught to be one of the missing links and yet they found the entire skeletal system to have been put together starting the with tooth of an extinct pig.

I am not going to get into big arguments, but if you think science has been right about everything, then you have a lot to learn. That is why science is fluid and changes. Because as we gain knowledge... what we thought we knew to be truth becomes laughable. 100 years ago atoms were a theory. You couldn't see them. you couldn't prove them.
We look at how surgery was performed 200 years ago and we laugh at the archaic butchery of it. 200 years from today they will be laughing at how we perform surgery and the archaic butchery of it.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58952 posts
Posted on 4/11/18 at 3:22 pm to
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I don’t judge you for believing in what you want to believe, but throwing religion at people is not okay.

Okay? Throwing religion at people in what way?
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58952 posts
Posted on 4/11/18 at 3:23 pm to
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More power to ya

Go dawgs
I'll bet Montana is beautiful this time of year. I envy you in a lot of ways. but I think I will avoid the winters!
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