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Interesting facts about neutral site games, mostly Bama related.

Posted on 3/22/18 at 9:28 pm
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 3/22/18 at 9:28 pm
This is sort of a spinoff thread, since there was discussion about this in the Western Carolina thread.

Anyway, some interesting things I've learned about these neutral site games while reading about the subject:

-Clemson, not Bama, was the first team invited to the initial game. Bama got the second call from the Chick Fil A Bowl president (who put that game together) after Clemson was committed because of Saban's prior relationship with him from LSU's 2000 game.
The committee didn't want LSU because of 1996 attendance, but Saban convinced the CFA bowl president that he would promote the game and tickets would sell. The president overruled the committee and the game was a great success. UA-Clemson was also a great success. Now we get an invite to a kickoff game every year.

-Alabama and USC were initially going to play in Atlanta, after Chick Fil A arranged a matchup, but USC balked because they thought it would be too much like a Bama home game, so they played the Dallas game.

-The same exact thing happened with Oregon and Auburn for 2019. Chick Fil A prez set up the game, and Oregon balked.

-Washington was the only Pac 12 willing to travel so far, though, and will play AU in Atlanta.

-The Chick Fil A game always tries to schedule an ACC-SEC matchup if possible. Will probably be less common now that they host two. “For us, we want to get ACC vs. SEC when we can. It’s been successful for us, we’ve got huge alumni bases here, they need four non-conference games so it’s a little easier to schedule them. That was our bread and butter with the Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl until we went into the CFP.”

-The payouts are now up to about double the profit of a home game, so playing in two of them pays four times as much as a two year home and home.

-The payout is higher for the Dallas game than the Atlanta game. UF-UM received $1 million more each than UA-FSU, even though the latter was the bigger game.

-Our biggest payout so far was $6.5 million for USC. That was more than the $5 million received for FSU. Both were up from the $4 million received for Wisconsin.

-FSU's total costs for the game were estimated at $275k. I expect Bama's were similar, so the payout is almost all profit.

-Bama was paid more than USC for the 2016 game. (I'm almost certain it was $1 million extra, but I can't find the link where I read that to verify)

-Alabama has a contract with ESPN dated 9/10/2014 that we will not schedule a game that would prevent it from playing in the Cowboys Classic on 9/5/2020. ESPN and Alabama would have to "mutually approve" the opponent in the game. The contract states Alabama will receive $6 million guaranteed for participation. Also, it says Alabama will receive a minimum of $1,000,000 more than their opponent.

-Contracts with Chick Fil A for Atlanta include hundreds of free hotel rooms, tickets to the CFHOF, and a scholarship payment for the participating schools.

-Alabama contracts with the Cowboys include two free suites, 250 free tickets, and a field level club suite for 350 people. We can be replaced if we get hit with NCAA sanctions and lose 12 or more scholarships.
The Cowboy contracts must remain private, but since Alabama is a public institution and subject to open records requests, we must notify the Cowboys and ESPN if a request is ever received.

This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 9:17 am
Posted by Carlton
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Posted on 3/22/18 at 10:12 pm to
Great post Evolved.

Just to add.

If our current future neutral site commitments hold we will play 10 consecutive neutral site openers through 2021 and 12 total in the Saban era. We have played 13 neutral site regular season games in the Saban era.

Neutral Site Openers

7 in Atlanta
4 in Dallas
1 in Orlando

Neutral site regular season non opener:

1 in Jacksonville (Game 5, 2007)

Opponents and conferences:

1 Pac 12 game (USC 2016)
1 Big 12 game (West Virginia 2014)
2 Big 10 games (Michigan 2012, Wisconsin 2015)
7 ACC games (Clemson 2008, Virginia Tech 2009 and 2013, Florida State 2017, Louisville 2018, Duke 2019, Miami 2021)
1 TBD

*Neutral site regular season game non opener

1 ACC game (Florida State 2007)

Alabama is currently 8-0 in neutral site openers in the Saban era.

Average score neutral site openers:

Bama: 36
Opponents: 13.875

ETA:

In 2007 Alabama did have a neutral site game, however it was not a season opener. Bama played Florida State in Jacksonville, FL the 5th game of the season and lost to the Seminoles 14-21.

This is the only non opener regular season neutral site game during the Saban era and his only neutral site regular season loss at Alabama. It is also important to remember that the game was supposedly in 2007 and there is serious debate whether that year really ever happened at all.

Fun fact per 3down10:

Florida State was forced to vacate our one neutral site regular season loss due to NCAA violations. However, if we had won we would have been required to vacate the win as well. As I stated earlier there is continued debate as to if 2007 ever happened.
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 1:27 pm
Posted by 14&Counting
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Posted on 3/22/18 at 10:45 pm to
quote:

he contract states Alabama will receive $6 million guaranteed for participation.


Nice work OP....for those who are bitching about neutral site games and wanting a home and home......forget about it....not with these kinds of numbers being thrown at us.
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 3/22/18 at 11:21 pm to
quote:

Nice work OP....for those who are bitching about neutral site games and wanting a home and home......forget about it....not with these kinds of numbers being thrown at us.

Yep. Even though I wasn't advocating going from neutral sites to home/aways, I didn't know the neutral site games are so much better financially.
This post was edited on 3/22/18 at 11:22 pm
Posted by 14&Counting
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Posted on 3/22/18 at 11:47 pm to
quote:

didn't know the neutral site games are so much better financially.




A LOT better....but we are screwing the on-campus experience with the bogus games.....It's probably time to feed a quality OOC home game to Town. I can remember when Penn State came to town, along with USC and Notre Dame.
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 12:09 am to
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A LOT better....but we are screwing the on-campus experience with the bogus games.....It's probably time to feed a quality OOC home game to Town. I can remember when Penn State came to town, along with USC and Notre Dame.

Since we should keep the neutral site non-conf P5 openers, I think it's better to add a 9th SEC game and ditch the FCS games. With permanent cross-division rivalry games, there's only a single 8th slot for rotating the other 6 cross-division teams. It takes 6 YEARS to rotate back on the schedule! With a 9th SEC game we'd play all 6 rotating teams in 3 years, with only a 2-year gap between a rotating team's home/away flipside:

Years - 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024
Week-6 @SC, vsGA, @ FL, vsSC, @GA, vs FL
Week-8 vsTN, @TN, vsTN, @TN, vsTN, @TN
Week12 vsKY, @VB, vsMO, @KY, vsVB, @MO

2019 Schedule with 9 SEC Games (rotations)
Week-1 ns Duke (neutral site non-conf P5)
Week-2 vs G5 team
Week-3 vs Ole Miss
Week-4 at Texas A&M
Week-5 vs G5 team
Week-6 at S Carolina (GA, @FL, SC, @GA, FL)
Week-7 vs Arkansas
Week-8 vs Tennessee (no rotation)
Week-9 OPEN DATE
Week10 vs LSU
Week11 at Miss State
Week12 vs Kentucky (@VB, MO, @KY, VB, @MO)
Week13 at Auburn
Week14 ns SEC Title Game

A 9th SEC game causes 1 more away every other season, but neutral site non-conf openers pay too well to give up for offsetting home/aways. The KY/VB/MO rotation is an easy enough "breather" before the Iron Bowl and SEC-CG.

Simple schedule changes to implement and it's so much better -- in every way! Let's do this!

That scheduling model delivers a much better product offering for ticket sales and TV contract revenues. It also supports existing permanent SEC cross-division rivalries (e.g., UA vs UT, AU vs UGA) and non-conf rivalries -- UF vs FSU, USC vs Clemson, UK vs L'ville, UGA vs GaTech.

The weaker SEC teams are against 9 SEC games because they want bowl eligibility. They could still have a good shot at it by scheduling 3 beatable non-conf teams. That's 3 wins. If they can't win 3 of their 9 SEC games they should be thankful they get equal SEC revenue sharing, and invest that "gift" money more wisely in improving their football programs.

Imo, Sankey should push hard for 9 SEC games.
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 12:44 am
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 12:26 am to
quote:

Alabama will receive $6 million guaranteed for participation.



That's actually the minimum we can be paid. If the other team negotiates $6 mil (what UF and UM got in Dallas last year), we'll get $7 mil.
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 12:34 am to
quote:

7 in Atlanta
4 in Dallas
1 in Orlando



Wasn't one of them in Jacksonville?
Posted by Carlton
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 6:06 am to
"See it's like making me work"

In 2007 Alabama did have a neutral site game, however it was not a season opener. Bama played Florida State in Jacksonville, FL the 5th game of the season and lost to the Seminoles 14-21.

This is the only non opener neutral site game during the Saban era and his only neutral site regular season loss at Alabama. It is also important to remember that the game was supposedly in 2007 and there is serious debate whether that year really ever happened.

Fun fact per 3down10:

Florida State was forced to vacate our one neutral site regular season loss due to NCAA violations. However, if we had won we would have been required to vacate the win as well. As I stated earlier there is continued debate as to if 2007 ever happened.
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 12:18 pm
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 8:55 am to
I'm starting to wonder about 2020 in Dallas. The original deal called for it to be worked out by late 2015. We're more than two years past that and still no opponent. Maybe it really IS getting harder to find an opponent willing to play us for one of these marquee games.

I found another article from last summer speculating that we may be looking into other cities' kickoff games. I sure hope we don't get saddled with another lower-tier P5 like Duke.

FWIW, per FBSchedules.com USC still doesn't have anybody scheduled for 9/5/2020. I wonder if they're in negotiations, too.

Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:38 am to
Plus the AD can use some of the money to pay the Little Sisters of the Poor to come to TitleTown for a beating and make Mo MONEY off that extra home game.

Winning....Bigly
Posted by Carlton
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:37 am to
It looks like USC or UCLA are the most likely candidates, possibly Arizona (honestly I am tired of Sumlin though). Or Oklahoma if they want to get super gangster and play us and Tennessee back to back weekends to open the season.
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 10:49 am
Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 11:59 am to
I believe FSU had to vacate that neutral site victory.

Which is funny, because if we had won we would have had to vacate too.

Posted by BamaGradinTn
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 1:05 pm to
So how many more of these neutral site openers do we have to play before we can afford a new basketball arena???
Posted by 14&Counting
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 1:50 pm to
quote:

I found another article from last summer speculating that we may be looking into other cities' kickoff games.


What other cities are hosting these now? I know we are doing Orlando but who else is out there? I wonder if we would ever consider doing something like LSU did when they went to Lambeau. The money would be good but I know Saban likes to showcase the team in recruiting hot beds. We could do an NFL stadium in a cold weather city since its Labor Day but wonder if they would pay the big money like ATL and Dallas.
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 7:01 pm to
Seems like Miami, Tampa, NOLA and Nashville would be good places to host them. They have NFL stadiums and are pretty good labor day weekend travel destinations for attracting fans. They already host bowl games, so it seems like the bowl organizations should be able to do it.
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 7:16 pm
Posted by coachcrisp
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 7:28 pm to
Forget Miami....worst city in America for supporting sporting events.
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 3/24/18 at 11:43 am to
Houston, Orlando, and Charlotte have them now. Chicago has one this year at Soldier field, but it's not a season opener. They went local and invited Illinois, but could expand if it's successful. Landover, MD, hosted a mid-season game last year, and has a season opener this year.

The Cowboys are hosting four games this year. To season openers, and one SEC, and one Big 12 conference game.
Posted by 14&Counting
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Posted on 3/24/18 at 12:21 pm to
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Houston, Orlando, and Charlotte have them now. Chicago has one this year at Soldier field, but it's not a season opener. They went local and invited Illinois, but could expand if it's successful. Landover, MD, hosted a mid-season game last year, and has a season opener this year.



Landover and that general area sucks arse. I say that as I lived in Chevy Chase, MD for about a year.

I have been to Soldier Field and its amazing. Easy destination city to get too with loads of amenities. Weather would be perfect. The thing to do there would be to get a quality B1G opponent so their fans would help ensure it sells.

I'm racking my brain trying to think of the last game we played up north. The last one I recall was the old Kick-Off Classic at the Meadowlands against Ohio State so we have done it before. Could you imagine Bama vs tOSU at Soldier Field?
This post was edited on 3/24/18 at 12:22 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 3/24/18 at 12:52 pm to
I lived in downtown Chicago for a couple years, right by the lake, walking distance from Soldier Field. It's such a classic looking stadium. Great city from May through October. The winters are frickin' brutal though. It'd be great to play a B1G team there on a Labor Day weekend.
This post was edited on 3/24/18 at 12:58 pm
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