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Posted on 1/26/18 at 2:52 am to Sneaky__Sally
Posted on 1/26/18 at 2:52 am to Sneaky__Sally
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Tua certainly put gave himself a great opening audition a few weeks ago
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how much Tua saving our entire season, and coming from 13 points down in one half against one of the best defenses in cfb, and winning the National Championship in OT on a miracle play will weigh on the tight QB competition going forward, if at all.
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Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:30 am to BamaWins15
Be happy with the fact that this was downvoted....I've read it 3 times and still I'm at a loss to what you said to anger someone.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 9:28 am to Commander Data
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Edited to add that you don't know shite about football. You defended his shitty play all year just because we were winning even though it was in spite of his play. You defended him in the championship game even though we were getting beat because of him. You are either the biggest sunshine pumper around or you are dumb as frick. Probably a little of both.
So I guess Saban doesn't know shite about football either because he would consistently credit the play of Jalen Hurts in our victories throughout 2017?
I don't know where this irrational hatred for Jalen comes from. I have come to the light and believe Tagovailoa should be our QB going forward, but I'm not going to shite on a two-year starter who helped lead our team to 26 wins over two seasons.
Also...perhaps you could show a little more maturity in your rants instead of acting like a petulant child?
This post was edited on 1/26/18 at 9:29 am
Posted on 1/26/18 at 9:58 am to Sneaky__Sally
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I assume the offseason will officially be an "open competition" - but thats what i've felt all along so i'm not sure. If Tua gets the mental aspects down, makes good decisions throwing the ball (dumping down to the open man and letting him run, avoiding throwing it up deep into coverage when he doesn't need to and generally avoiding trying to do to much) I really don't see Hurts winning the job.
Tua certainly put gave himself a great opening audition a few weeks ago and it will be interesting to see where he is after a whole offseason of development.
Good post
Posted on 1/26/18 at 10:40 am to River_City_Tider
It will dubbed a "qb competition" and will be treated as one by Saban as we have seen multiple times in prior seasons. That is a good thing though as its usually good for a player to feel some heat and keep them focused on improving and not get set in their ways.
If one player is the clear favorite it doesn't really have an impact on a what the situation is called.
If one player is the clear favorite it doesn't really have an impact on a what the situation is called.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 10:41 am to CAbamafan
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Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how much Tua saving our entire season, and coming from 13 points down in one half against one of the best defenses in cfb, and winning the National Championship in OT on a miracle play will weigh on the tight QB competition going forward, if at all.
I honestly don't really follow what point this attempt at sarcasm (?) is trying to get across
ETA: I would be equally surprised if (1) Saban is named an official starter in the spring and (2) Hurts beats out Tua for the job.
This post was edited on 1/26/18 at 10:52 am
Posted on 1/26/18 at 11:49 am to Sneaky__Sally
Why Dan Enos hire could clarify Alabama's QB picture | al.com
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Dan Enos has never coached in the NFL.
But he's been coveted by men who did.
Jim Harbaugh asked Enos to join his Michigan staff after Arkansas terminated his contract in wake of Bret Bielema's firing in November.
Then, Nick Saban swiped Enos from the Wolverines -- bringing him in to supervise Alabama's quarterbacks and serve as an associate head coach for the Crimson Tide.
Enos was courted by two of college football's most storied programs because the offense he's directed at previous stops is rooted in pro concepts. He has relied heavily on "Ace" formations with multiple tight ends and has asked his quarterbacks to operate from under center with dropbacks that range from three to seven steps.
He's also shown he's predisposed toward play-action.
"The big thing each and every game is to be able to create balance," Enos said in 2016.
In the past, Enos has worked with skilled passers. At Central Michigan, he tutored the big-bodied Cooper Rush, who is now with the Dallas Cowboys. During his three-year run at Arkansas, he mentored the Allen brothers -- Brandon and Austin. Brandon was second in the nation in total QBR in 2015. Austin led the Southeastern Conference in passing yards the following season.
Saban's decision to hire Enos appears to send a clear signal about what kind of quarterback he wants after he's introduced some ambiguity on that topic in recent seasons with some of the decisions he's made. Most notable among them was his call to hand over the offense to Jalen Hurts, the athletically-gifted sophomore who has shown deficiencies as a passer and an abiding impatience to cycle through his reads.
Hurts' weaknesses were revealed to the nation in the national championship game earlier this month when he was benched in favor of Tua Tagovailoa, the intriguing freshman who led the comeback against Georgia that resulted in Alabama's 17th national title.
In the limited action he has seen, Tagovailoa has shown he can routinely deliver anticipatory throws in tight windows with the kind of precision that makes NFL scouts drool.
Yet it's his willingness to hang in the pocket and assess his options that may be his most impressive quality, especially because Tagovailoa has the mobility to be an escape artist if the play breaks down or he can't connect with the primary receiver.
It's the mark of a quarterback that sees himself as a passer rather than a runner.
That's the kind of player Saban seems to want and it's certainly the type of quarterback Enos has coached.
Not long after the 2017 national championship loss to Clemson last spring, Saban wondered aloud if Alabama had lost a bit of its identity by making Hurts the starter.
"We became almost more of a quarterback-run, spread team and that's not really what we want to be," he said in a radio interview. "We want to be more pro-style as we were, with a mix of a spread."
With Enos coming into the fold and Tagovailoa already on campus, Saban's vision could be realized.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 12:06 pm to TidalSurge1
What you need to know about Dan Enos, new Alabama assistant coach | al.com (segment)
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Starting quarterbacks he's coached:
-- Cincinnati 2004: Gino Guidugli 210-342 (61.4%) 2,633 yards, 26 TD, 8 INT
-- Cincinnati 2005: Dustin Grutza 168-300 (56.0%) 1,799 yards, 11 TD, 11 INT
-- Michigan St. 2006: Drew Stanton 164-269 (61.0%) 1,807 yards, 12 TDs, 10 INT
-- Central Mich. 2010: Ryan Radcliff 282-466 (60.5%) 3,358 yards, 17 TD, 17 INT
-- Central Mich. 2011: Ryan Radcliff 257-453 (56.7%) 3,286 yards, 25 TD, 16 INT
-- Central Mich. 2012: Ryan Radcliff 242-407 (59.5%) 3,163 yards, 23 TD, 9 INT
-- Central Mich. 2013: Cooper Rush 177-312 (56.7%) 2,349 yards, 15 TD, 15 INT
-- Central Mich. 2014: Cooper Rush 243-382 (63.6%) 3,149 yards, 27 TD, 13 INT
-- Arkansas 2015: Brandon Allen 244-370 (65.9%) 3,440 yards, 30 TD, 8 INT
-- Arkansas 2016: Austin Allen 245-401 (61.1%) 3,430 yards, 25 TD, 15 INT
-- Arkansas 2017: Austin Allen 105-187 (56.1%) 1,427 yards, 10 TD, 5 INT
This post was edited on 1/26/18 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 1/26/18 at 12:59 pm to CrimsonBoz
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Pretty average
Idk about CMU's & MSU's talent level relative to their competition, but it seems fair to say Arky's was weak enough (e.g., OL pass pro) to hinder QB performance.
This post was edited on 1/26/18 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 1/26/18 at 1:58 pm to TidalSurge1
You make a good, and subtle, point about the offensive line
Posted on 1/26/18 at 4:15 pm to RollTide1987
You must be really gullible. Saban isn't going to bash a starting QB. Call it politics. Call it good PR. You always say everyone played well, but they can get better. Our field goal kickers have been terrible for years, but I have never heard Saban personally criticize a player to the press.
What you have to look at are the facts. We finally got into a situation our defense and running game couldn't bail us out of and he pulled the trigger. All you need to know is down by 13 in the natty against a great defense he pulled a starting QB of two years. That decision has been brewing.
I love Jalen's character. I hope he finds a role on the team. I've never seen one player get a fan base so split. He is Blake Bortles on the Jaguars. Yeah they almost made the playoffs with him, but he is the weak spot on a pretty good team.
What you have to look at are the facts. We finally got into a situation our defense and running game couldn't bail us out of and he pulled the trigger. All you need to know is down by 13 in the natty against a great defense he pulled a starting QB of two years. That decision has been brewing.
I love Jalen's character. I hope he finds a role on the team. I've never seen one player get a fan base so split. He is Blake Bortles on the Jaguars. Yeah they almost made the playoffs with him, but he is the weak spot on a pretty good team.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 5:12 pm to KareemAbdul
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love Jalen's character. I hope he finds a role on the team. I've never seen one player get a fan base so split. He is Blake Bortles on the Jaguars. Yeah they almost made the playoffs with him, but he is the weak spot on a pretty good team.
Jags made the playoffs... and blake is not considered so high character. Notorious for hanging out late at the beach bars. He is equally crippling to the offense though.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 11:00 am to MoarKilometers
Bump for the people who can't seem to find this thread to talk about our QB situation.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 12:37 pm to TideSaint
Bump for a queston to you.
Do you think that the discussion of quarterbacks should be verboten in any and every other thread?
How about offense, because the discussion of offense, especially the current situation of the Alabama offense, will nearly invariably lead to quarterbacks.
Do you think all that should be excluded from any other thread? Think about it first, because that would nearly certainly preclude a discussion of Enos, and Locksley. We would be on precarious ground if we started discussing receivers, which might lead to those forbidden topics.
What do you think? I am seriously curious about your opinion since you bring it up again.
Do you think that the discussion of quarterbacks should be verboten in any and every other thread?
How about offense, because the discussion of offense, especially the current situation of the Alabama offense, will nearly invariably lead to quarterbacks.
Do you think all that should be excluded from any other thread? Think about it first, because that would nearly certainly preclude a discussion of Enos, and Locksley. We would be on precarious ground if we started discussing receivers, which might lead to those forbidden topics.
What do you think? I am seriously curious about your opinion since you bring it up again.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 12:45 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
can somebody please get this guy a fricking life already? this is getting absurd.
This post was edited on 1/29/18 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 1/29/18 at 12:52 pm to Fleurs
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can somebody please get this guy a fricking life already? this is getting absurd.
How about you? Will you answer the question?
Secondly, can you discuss a topic without personal attacks? Just curious here. You definitely struggle with that.
First things, though, first. Do you think the topic of quarterback and offense should be strictly limited to this and only this thread?
Been over 20 minutes and still no response from TideSaint or the flowery guy. By the way, are you female?
I mean, you brought it back up TideSaint, just out of the blue, so surely you have an opinion about it. I know that flowers just likes to argue, but I thought you might have a reasonable and rational opinion, though honestly, I don't think it's at all reasonable or rational that every discussion or mention of qbs belongs in this and only this thread. That's like silly grade school shite.
This post was edited on 1/29/18 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 1/29/18 at 1:35 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
Huddie,
Honest question: What are you trying to accomplish?
I think every Alabama fan realizes Tua provides more opportunities for the offense than Jalen does. The one reservation some folks might have had -- that he'd never done it in a significant game situation -- was answered admirably with his performance in the most pressure-packed situation any QB could find himself.
I was one who argued on behalf of Jalen continuing to play throughout the season. I felt then, and still do, that there were legitimate reasons Saban had for not making the switch -- reasons I have no way of knowing. I made some educated guesses, but that's all they were. In the end, Saban DID make the switch -- and the rest is history.
At this point, though, all you (and others) seem to be doing is continuing to harp on this for no reason other than pride. It's gone beyond rational debate, or healthy discourse, for many on this board; frankly, I think most folks are sick of it. To the point that what COULD be a legitimate question about recruiting, is seen as nothing more than an attempt at baiting.
And yet you and others seem to want to continue to resurrect this long-deceased equine for additional corporal punishment.
I honestly don't understand why.
Honest question: What are you trying to accomplish?
I think every Alabama fan realizes Tua provides more opportunities for the offense than Jalen does. The one reservation some folks might have had -- that he'd never done it in a significant game situation -- was answered admirably with his performance in the most pressure-packed situation any QB could find himself.
I was one who argued on behalf of Jalen continuing to play throughout the season. I felt then, and still do, that there were legitimate reasons Saban had for not making the switch -- reasons I have no way of knowing. I made some educated guesses, but that's all they were. In the end, Saban DID make the switch -- and the rest is history.
At this point, though, all you (and others) seem to be doing is continuing to harp on this for no reason other than pride. It's gone beyond rational debate, or healthy discourse, for many on this board; frankly, I think most folks are sick of it. To the point that what COULD be a legitimate question about recruiting, is seen as nothing more than an attempt at baiting.
And yet you and others seem to want to continue to resurrect this long-deceased equine for additional corporal punishment.
I honestly don't understand why.
This post was edited on 1/29/18 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 1/29/18 at 1:42 pm to Sauron
I'm not trying to accomplish anything other than having TideSaint answer a question as to whether he thinks every discussion of quarterbacks and offense should be in this and only this thread. I am so curious about it because nobody was talking shite about quarterbacks in other threads, so he just out of the blue "bumps" this thread to remind posters to post here about qbs.
I haven't been "harping on" about Tagovailoa. I'm not even sure I've mentioned his name today on this forum.
"And yet you and others seem to want to continue to resurrect this long-deceased equine for additional corporal punishment."
But I didn't bump this thread to perpetuate the discussion of it. TideSaint did and now you're continuing it.
As noted before, it's really weird that some of you guys claim you don't want to discuss this, but you just can't help but bring it back up or when it does come up, you just can't help but perpetuate it by carrying on so much about it. It doesn't make a damn bit of sense.
I don't know. My wife says I try too hard to analyze things. I have undergraduate degrees in Philosophy and Psychology and a Masters in Psychology so I guess it comes honestly, but the dynamics of it are just perplexing as hell. There is no logic about it.
I haven't been "harping on" about Tagovailoa. I'm not even sure I've mentioned his name today on this forum.
"And yet you and others seem to want to continue to resurrect this long-deceased equine for additional corporal punishment."
But I didn't bump this thread to perpetuate the discussion of it. TideSaint did and now you're continuing it.
As noted before, it's really weird that some of you guys claim you don't want to discuss this, but you just can't help but bring it back up or when it does come up, you just can't help but perpetuate it by carrying on so much about it. It doesn't make a damn bit of sense.
I don't know. My wife says I try too hard to analyze things. I have undergraduate degrees in Philosophy and Psychology and a Masters in Psychology so I guess it comes honestly, but the dynamics of it are just perplexing as hell. There is no logic about it.
This post was edited on 1/29/18 at 2:02 pm
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