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Morris vs. Frost
Posted on 11/6/17 at 7:19 am
Posted on 11/6/17 at 7:19 am
What are people seeing in Frost's resume that make them prefer him to Morris?
I might slightly prefer Frost, but if anything he is less proven.
I might slightly prefer Frost, but if anything he is less proven.
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Posted on 11/6/17 at 7:27 am to FortWorthAg15
Well Frost does have the power to bring in winter early, huge upside in my opinion, but him nipping at our noses is a serious negative
Is it bad that I really don’t know who “frost “ is?
Is it bad that I really don’t know who “frost “ is?
Posted on 11/6/17 at 7:44 am to FortWorthAg15
Wrong F. I want Fuente. Throw 6-7 M at him and call it a search.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 7:46 am to FortWorthAg15
Honestly short of Saban and to a lesser extent Meyer, there’s no such thing as a sure bet. Hell, everybody was calling Jimbo the next big thing, but he needed the best qb in the country and top 5 players at all skill positions to squeak by an auburn with comparatively less talent.
Now he’s lost his qb and only won 3 or 4 games this year.
You just gotta get the coach in on your terms and hope for the best.
Georgia had no proof that the Smart hire wouldn’t blow up in their faces, but it seems to have been the best one in the SEC since Saban.
Now he’s lost his qb and only won 3 or 4 games this year.
You just gotta get the coach in on your terms and hope for the best.
Georgia had no proof that the Smart hire wouldn’t blow up in their faces, but it seems to have been the best one in the SEC since Saban.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 7:47 am to FortWorthAg15
Apparently the person we need to be hiring is Memphis’ AD
Posted on 11/6/17 at 8:01 am to FortWorthAg15
Sumlin in 2011 was more proven than Morris in 2017. You know this is true.
If Morris loses to Memphis and no one else that will be 8-4 at SMU. We don't like 8-4 coaches folks.
If Morris loses to Memphis and no one else that will be 8-4 at SMU. We don't like 8-4 coaches folks.
This post was edited on 11/6/17 at 8:04 am
Posted on 11/6/17 at 8:09 am to AggieDub14
8-4 at SMU is pretty damn good. They haven’t finished 8-4 in the regular season since they got the death penalty.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 8:13 am to Farmer1906
Their best win is Cincinnati. Any opponent that could be considered a quality one ended in a loss. Morris may be doing good things for SMU but does that really qualify him for the sec west?
Posted on 11/6/17 at 8:14 am to AggieDub14
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Sumlin in 2011 was more proven than Morris in 2017. You know this is true.
Eh, Sumlin basically babysat Art Briles' recruits for four years. He didn't win a conference title and hadn't called plays since 2002.
Morris called championship caliber plays at Clemson and is taking a 1-11 program to likely 8 wins in two years.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 8:25 am to AggieDub14
I respectfully disagree that Sumlin was more proven, but this does not mean I support A&M hiring Morris.
Sumlin was a receiver coach at OU, not an OC who called plays. Sumlin was successful at UH because he had excellent OCs in Holgerson and Kingsbury. The UH offense was not 'Sumlin's' offense. Sumlin was the CEO. In addition, Sumlin did not have to build UH into a winner. Sumlin just continued what Briles had done.
Sumlin has been CEO at A&M and a good recruiter of speed. But, Sumlin was not ready for the SEC West. Sumlin underestimated the need for a strong defense. On offense, he was extremely lucky in 2012 to have Sherman's players + Kingsbury.
Morris was OC at Clemson several seasons and was successful on a big stage. He has also rebuilt SMU into a legitimate team. I just don't know if Morris is ready for the SEC West, especially on defense. He may be more suited for the Big12.
Sumlin was a receiver coach at OU, not an OC who called plays. Sumlin was successful at UH because he had excellent OCs in Holgerson and Kingsbury. The UH offense was not 'Sumlin's' offense. Sumlin was the CEO. In addition, Sumlin did not have to build UH into a winner. Sumlin just continued what Briles had done.
Sumlin has been CEO at A&M and a good recruiter of speed. But, Sumlin was not ready for the SEC West. Sumlin underestimated the need for a strong defense. On offense, he was extremely lucky in 2012 to have Sherman's players + Kingsbury.
Morris was OC at Clemson several seasons and was successful on a big stage. He has also rebuilt SMU into a legitimate team. I just don't know if Morris is ready for the SEC West, especially on defense. He may be more suited for the Big12.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 8:32 am to BM41
8-4 with no quality wins makes you a legitimate team? Then why are we firing Sumlin?
Posted on 11/6/17 at 8:48 am to AggieDub14
I would support hiring Fuente over either as well. I just think he already has a comparable job to A&M so he isn't going to leave.
This thread is supposed to be aimed at comparing 2 candidates that are likely to be elsewhere in December, not guys we are wishing in that will stay out.
My read is that people tend to think of Scott Frost as the much better option. Maybe I'm wrong.
This thread is supposed to be aimed at comparing 2 candidates that are likely to be elsewhere in December, not guys we are wishing in that will stay out.
My read is that people tend to think of Scott Frost as the much better option. Maybe I'm wrong.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 9:27 am to FortWorthAg15
You're right. Frost >>>>>>>>> Morris.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 9:39 am to AggieDub14
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8-4 with no quality wins makes you a legitimate team? Then why are we firing Sumlin?
Urban Meyer was 8-4 & 9-3 at Bowling Green before Utah hired him.
Saban won 6, 6, 7, 6 at Michigan State before he won 9 and was hired away by LSU.
My point isn't that Morris is either of those guys, but everyone starts somewhere. Morris took over the worst FBS team and has steadily built it up over 3 years into a winner. He was also a top tier OC. That is enough of a resume to get you a decent job.
Look at some other recent hires.
Kirby Smart - 0 years as an HC, 7 years as a DC @ P5
Mark Richt - 16 years as an HC, fired
Justin Fuente - 3 years as an HC (non P5), 3 years as a Co-OC @ P5
Matt Rhule - 4 years as an HC (non P5)
Lincoln Riley - 2 Years as an OC @ P5
Tom Herman - 2 years as an HC (non P5), 6 years OC @ P5
P. J. Fleck - 4 years as an HC (non P5)
Justin Wilcox - 6 years as a DC @ P5
Dino Babers - 4 years as an HC (non P5)
Will Muschamp - 4 years as an HC, fired, 1 year DC @ P5 (after HC stint)
Chad Morris - 3 years as an HC (non P5), 4 years OC @ P5
Like it or not Morris will likely be hired this year or next (assuming the wheels done fall off).
Posted on 11/6/17 at 9:43 am to Farmer1906
I get what you are saying, but that doesn't mean we should hire him. I'm worried about getting another Sumlin, or worse, another Fran. Frost is the superior candidate.
This post was edited on 11/6/17 at 9:43 am
Posted on 11/6/17 at 9:43 am to AggieDub14
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You're right. Frost >>>>>>>>> Morris.
Hard to compare. The difference is George O Leary built a nice non P5 program who 11, 10, and 12 win seasons all somewhat recently. Sure the everything went to hell in '15, but the foundation for a program was there. Forst's job was a lot easier to get to where he's at than it was for Morris. Now Morris isn't where Frost is (8-0), but I think both have done well with what was given to them.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 9:48 am to Farmer1906
This. Look at what Strong is doing at USF. We know he isn't a good coach, but he inherited a program with a solid foundation. I think what Frost inherited at UCF was way ahead of what Morris inherited.
I'm open to the idea that Frost could be the better candidate, but it's not obvious to me why people are certain that he is.
I'm open to the idea that Frost could be the better candidate, but it's not obvious to me why people are certain that he is.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 9:49 am to Farmer1906
Hiring Mazzone doomed Sumlin.
Style of play and coaching philosophy matters.
Proper OL coaching knowledge is mandatory.
Style of play and coaching philosophy matters.
Proper OL coaching knowledge is mandatory.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 1:19 pm to FortWorthAg15
I honestly think we end up with Morris just because he is a good old boy and BMAs love good old boys.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 1:20 pm to Texas Weazel
This is not a reason to hire someone 
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