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re: When Leo's allegations are thrown out

Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:23 am to
Posted by Doresrules
Dallas, Tx
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:23 am to
What part of #9 highest paid coach don't you understand?

If you honestly believe the COI is going to grant the NCAA immunity only to throw it out I don't know what to tell you. As I've said, OM made a compelling case. I don't expect it to work though because this isn't about OM, it's personal.

There is no conspiracy. We are to blame for what is happening. Sloppy boosters and a sloppy coaching staff. A staff that was lead by Hugh Freeze. A staff that continued to still attempt to cheat with the NCAA sleeping on campus. Leo was talking to boosters WHILE the NCAA was on campus. That's Freeze fault not some NCAA conspiracy.
Posted by Doresrules
Dallas, Tx
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:25 am to
You think the NCAA is going to throw out it's only weapon in fear of a lawsuit that is years away from conclusion at best?
Posted by RebelExpress38
In your base, killin your dudes
Member since Apr 2012
13596 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:50 am to
So if LL's testimony is proved to be false or he retracts what he said to get out of the lawsuit you think the NCAA is just going to continue going on what they said just because? Help us out on that line of thinking please it makes no sense.

The lawsuit is years from conclusion but the depositions aren't.
Posted by Doresrules
Dallas, Tx
Member since Dec 2012
4450 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:05 am to
Leo Lewis testimony isn't 100% false. OM has agreed to parts of his testimony. OM is playing the he isn't credible card because SOME of his testimony doesn't align. We agree and don't dispute some if his testimony. Once again, the NCAA was in Oxford and we STILL had boosters texting directly to a guy most have known was going to MSU from day 1. The NCAA isn't to blame for that sloppiness, we are.
Posted by RebelExpress38
In your base, killin your dudes
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:17 am to
quote:

Leo Lewis testimony isn't 100% false.



Which parts are true?
Posted by Doresrules
Dallas, Tx
Member since Dec 2012
4450 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:23 am to
You haven't even read the response. What are we even talking about? Read the response.
Posted by Doresrules
Dallas, Tx
Member since Dec 2012
4450 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:35 am to
Allegation 14. That's the allegation OM agrees with the testimony provided by Lewis in the majority of the allegation. Once again, we had all this ish happen DURING a ongoing investigation. How sloppy can one be?
Posted by RebelExpress38
In your base, killin your dudes
Member since Apr 2012
13596 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:01 am to
Are you just talking about the free transportation and meals and stuff for his family? Yeah that's sloppy but that's hardly reason to fire freeze or the NCAA to throw the book at us. This case hinges on the cash payments and free gear.
Posted by Insideradvantage
Member since Oct 2014
6936 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:22 am to
^^^ Everybody gets made fun of. It's when it's about you, you feel like nobody else is. Just the way of the world.
Posted by SquarePizzaRebel
Atlanta, GA
Member since Nov 2013
2371 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 4:25 pm to
quote:

It's understood that Ole Miss isn't to be allowed to have a winning program. Every single time in the past that Ole Miss has had any success, the NCAA was sent in to keep the Rebels down. If you don't understand that there is a pecking order in the SEC you are delusional.


So true. And anybody who shakes their head as if it is not, is just that, delusional. I've been there. I can empathize with you. But wake up and smell the roses. Take a look at the past 4-5 years. It's Ole Miss football. We were NOT allowed to have a blue chip recruiting class. We weren't even allowed to win games before being suspected of cheating. Accusations were coming before those guys even hit the field. Yet it seems we have to feel bad when we lose games to the likes of Alabama, or UGA, or LSU, and just accept that's Ole Miss's football destiny. Typically, the way to overcome that is get good coaching and players, but it wasn't okay for Ole Miss to do that. If we were ever going to win, it was going to have to be with 2 and 3 star players and a C-level coach.

I said frick that years ago, I didn't sign up to be a college football fan for that. Was there some clause written when the SEC formed that Ole Miss was not allowed to become good??? It sure seems like it. I was so happy to see someone like Freeze come in who threw that idea in a garbage can and reality-checked folks like Little Nick "The Great Crimson Tide." He said frick it too, and I've lost so much respect for college football with how this has all been handled. Call me a sore loser. I call the NCAA a rigged business at this point, and I'm pretty confident in that conclusion. Bama's not breaking rules?? Their running a clean, legit program?? It's a joke and a half at this point... frick the NCAA.
Posted by TOFTR
Tennissippi
Member since Jan 2016
2925 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 4:54 pm to
Hugh had to earn multiple raises before making $5m+. I'm not sure there's anyone available that's worth $5m right off the bat, and if there are, I'm not sure why they'd pick Ole Miss if the uphill battle is steep. I don't see us throwing $5m at someone who's not worth $4m, and I'm not convinced proven coaches would want to stake reputation unless it's someone like Briles who needs to rebuild reputation
Posted by Doresrules
Dallas, Tx
Member since Dec 2012
4450 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:05 pm to
The point wasn't to go get some proven coach and throw 5 million at him. The point is we have the ability to pick form a large group of guys to get the right guy without the baggage that now will follow Freeze regardless of the outcome.
Posted by TSUNRebel
DeSoto County
Member since May 2014
560 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:07 pm to
You obviously don't like Hugh Freeze, so name 5 coaches you believe could be successful at Ole Miss. Also, qualify why you believe they would take the Ole Miss job.

All you have written is how Freeze did this and Freeze did that and Freeze allowed this to happen and he allowed the coaches and boosters to do all these bad things, which is contrary to what those in house have stated.

Not sure what you have against Freeze, unless maybe you have some underlying state tendencies you haven't opened up to.



Posted by Doresrules
Dallas, Tx
Member since Dec 2012
4450 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:43 pm to
I have no idea what you are talking about. I have no dislike for Freeze. Hell I'm not aware how long you've frequented this site but I'm the guy who vouchers to not fire coaches the most. Bianca, Kennedy, and hell my nickname is Coach Luke.

To me the program means more than the coach. No one man is above the program. I get why some want to keep Freeze. My question is at what expense? Are we willing to risk running the program in the ground over this because SOME are fearful with 5 million we couldn't find a solid replacement?
Posted by TSUNRebel
DeSoto County
Member since May 2014
560 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:44 pm to
Even with a two year bowl ban and a suspension, Freeze has a better chance at success at Ole Miss than anyone that Ole Miss could hire to replace him.

You have argued that Ole Miss could get a top rate coach to Oxford in his place.

If Ole Miss gives them Freeze then their goal was reached. Take away Ole Miss' ability to be competitive long term.

The attempts by the NCAA to produce evidence to hold Freeze responsible for LOIC have fallen short. They have gone to desparate measures to do so, and have come up with lies and half truths.

Freeze rebuilt the program in 3 years, and made it a contender. You would take your chances on someone being able to do so over Freeze?

Great programs depend on great coaches to keep the program competitve. Ask Bama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Penn ST., Notre Dame, USC.

All of those programs have suffered under sub par coaching. There are enough boosters that understand holding on to Freeze is the end goal in all of this mess.

Look how long Ole Miss has struggled to replace Vaught.
Posted by matthew25
Member since Jun 2012
9425 posts
Posted on 6/20/17 at 11:27 pm to
Even when Leo retracts his statements about the $11,000 and the free merch, Rebel Rags does not have to drop the lawsuit.

I want Leo to testify under oath on July 19 that Dan Mulllen and the MSU attorneys and MSU compliance department reviewed the NCAA statement that Leo signed.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
17510 posts
Posted on 6/21/17 at 11:39 am to
I guess Merkel has sent 2 letters to the NCAA "demanding" that they retract their statements about Rebel Rags. Merkel ain't nobody's fool. LL and KJ don't have billion dollar pockets to dip into.
Posted by Landmass
Member since Jun 2013
18194 posts
Posted on 6/21/17 at 12:34 pm to
Even so called "proven" head coaches are a gamble. You never know how that coach will fit into your team. Otherwise, Texas, Tennessee, S Carolina, USC, Note Dame, etc would be world beaters all the time. They hire "proven" coaches and most of the time they are looking for another one in a few years. Look how many coaches Alabama went through before they got Saban. Freeze fits with Ole Miss. Going another direction would just be stupid.
Posted by TOFTR
Tennissippi
Member since Jan 2016
2925 posts
Posted on 6/21/17 at 2:12 pm to
I'm a fan of Freeze, but it's hard for me to say he's totally blameless in all this mess. If nothing else, his Twitter feed alone put a massive target on our back. I also don't think we'd be able to replace Freeze with anyone who can beat Alabama or reel in top 10 classes anytime soon, so it'd be dumb to move on from him until we absolutely have to. Even without Freeze, and even if we prevail, there's going to be some stigma following Ole Miss. It's not like everyone thought Auburn was squeaky clean after nothing came of $cam, but who gives a shite as long as we win games and get croots
Posted by RebTheodoreLogan
San Dimas, California
Member since Sep 2015
89 posts
Posted on 6/21/17 at 3:48 pm to
I don't care about baggage - I care about which coach will win more games at Ole Miss. We have no incentive now, with a little ammunition from the lawsuits, to throw the NCAA any red meat. Maybe we can throw them a three game suspension and they walk away. The time for firing him for leniency was when the first NOA came out. However, that didn't have anything really fire-worthy in it, so I don't know why we would have done that at that time.

Right now, no living coach in America has shown me he can win more games at Ole Miss than Hugh Freeze. So, I'm riding with him unless somebody tells me we will for sure not get killed if we fire him and for sure we will get killed if we don't.

Our focus should now be back-channeling the NCAA about giving them a way to save face (a small suspension?) in exchange for dropping the Leo Lewis etc stuff. We need a strong SEC Commissioner to do this for us.
This post was edited on 6/21/17 at 3:52 pm
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