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Elephant in the room
Posted on 6/11/17 at 10:00 am
Posted on 6/11/17 at 10:00 am
So I come to this board for legit Rebel talk without the maroon morons nor the in-bred coonass and hillbilly asshats trolling the tRant. That being said we have no serious threads going over here about the responses to the NOA. I have read most of the stuff out there and quite frankly am a tad shocked for the following reasons:
- The fact that the NCAA took items from the first NOA that were level 2 or 3 and bumped them to level 1 looks bad on their part. I think they did that in an effort to seek the LOIC and now 4 show causes.
- If the coaches have documentation of their actions, especially CHF, then I would think that would have a huge impact on the outcome. From the responses fromCHF and CMH it looks like they do have this documentation.
- Bamey's response is rather shocking but my question is can he provide documentation of these conversations. I know in my business whenever I get a feeling that someone has their "hand out" if I type of a memo on my computer immediately afterwards and "lock" the document by not allowing editing it goes a long way in covering me from prosecution.
- The biggest issue are the interviews of SA 39 & 40. From what I have read it seems cut and dry that their testimony should be thrown out. I mean the Rebel Rag stuff is beyond damning in the fact their stories changed, were denied by numerous people including their own families and were factually wrong on numerous items (anti-theft devices, gift cards & see Emily).
My question is the COI a kangaroo court? Where no matter what, you are guilty. Or will they actually allow the lawyers present the facts and then decide? Even if the COI a kangaroo court can we sue because based upon what I have read if there is valid documentation that the University has a great case in a Court of Law.
- The fact that the NCAA took items from the first NOA that were level 2 or 3 and bumped them to level 1 looks bad on their part. I think they did that in an effort to seek the LOIC and now 4 show causes.
- If the coaches have documentation of their actions, especially CHF, then I would think that would have a huge impact on the outcome. From the responses fromCHF and CMH it looks like they do have this documentation.
- Bamey's response is rather shocking but my question is can he provide documentation of these conversations. I know in my business whenever I get a feeling that someone has their "hand out" if I type of a memo on my computer immediately afterwards and "lock" the document by not allowing editing it goes a long way in covering me from prosecution.
- The biggest issue are the interviews of SA 39 & 40. From what I have read it seems cut and dry that their testimony should be thrown out. I mean the Rebel Rag stuff is beyond damning in the fact their stories changed, were denied by numerous people including their own families and were factually wrong on numerous items (anti-theft devices, gift cards & see Emily).
My question is the COI a kangaroo court? Where no matter what, you are guilty. Or will they actually allow the lawyers present the facts and then decide? Even if the COI a kangaroo court can we sue because based upon what I have read if there is valid documentation that the University has a great case in a Court of Law.
This post was edited on 6/11/17 at 10:27 am
Posted on 6/11/17 at 12:51 pm to beHop
Yes, the committee on infractions will probably be a kangaroo court. It really doesn't matter if protocol was followed at all; If they think that we're still guilty then they'll find us guilty.
The problem with all of this is that the NCAA is a voluntary organization. Even if a court rules in our favor it doesn't matter.
The problem with all of this is that the NCAA is a voluntary organization. Even if a court rules in our favor it doesn't matter.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 3:51 pm to ABearsFanNMS
The responses completely dismantled the NCAA's arguments on several key charges and calls into question the motives behind the investigation. It sets up MSU and possibly other schools for investigations of their own. COI will be a kangaroo court but now with the understanding that Ole Miss will sue the NCAA (ala Miami) due to them not following their own procedures for investigations.
Ole Miss has faced a significant image hit and multiple year recruiting losses. They can easily make a case that they played by the rules but the leaks that were coming through from the media, the conflicts of interest with the investigators and some high ranking NCAA personell, show the NCAA was out to get us. I think this has played about as good as we could hope. This was a really good response.
MSU fans should be shaking in their boots for the investigation that is about to happen.
Ole Miss has faced a significant image hit and multiple year recruiting losses. They can easily make a case that they played by the rules but the leaks that were coming through from the media, the conflicts of interest with the investigators and some high ranking NCAA personell, show the NCAA was out to get us. I think this has played about as good as we could hope. This was a really good response.
MSU fans should be shaking in their boots for the investigation that is about to happen.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 4:13 pm to Landmass
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They can easily make a case that they played by the rules but the leaks that were coming through from the media, the conflicts of interest with the investigators and some high ranking NCAA personell, show the NCAA was out to get us. I think this has played about as good as we could hope. This was a really good response
That is how I am looking at it after reading all the responses. I would be interesting to see the actual interview transcripts (you can tell a lot from how questions are posed) and any evidence they uncovered. From reading CHF's response it is obvious he had tons of actual documentation.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 5:33 pm to ABearsFanNMS
Anyone have some cliffs for the breaking news and the "karma" tweet by Yancy ??
Posted on 6/11/17 at 6:03 pm to Lawyered
Whatcha talking about (I don't follow that guy because he is a Koolaidholic)?
Posted on 6/11/17 at 6:14 pm to Lawyered
Rebel Rags is suing Leo and Kobe Jones.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 6:44 pm to ABearsFanNMS
Supposedly the owner of Rebel Rags is suing Lewis, Jones and Lindsey Miller for conspiracy, slander, commercial disparagement and defamation of character.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 7:08 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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Supposedly the owner of Rebel Rags is suing Lewis, Jones and Lindsey Miller for conspiracy, slander, commercial disparagement and defamation of character.
also suing their mothers.

fwiw there is a solid theory behind why Kobe and both of their mothers are included in this. Kobe already admitted to the NCAA that he didn't get anything from Rebel Rags. Basically, they're just trying to get someone(like Kobe) to stand up and say "I didn't sign up for this shite. Here's some names" and rat out the MSU boosters.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 7:20 pm to pankReb
Where is there a good thread on this?
Posted on 6/11/17 at 7:25 pm to ABearsFanNMS
I definitely don't think State ever thought it could come back on them and their program.. they thought they could watch the mushroom cloud from Starkville and this "Leo the mole" situation may just backfire.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 9:01 pm to Lawyered
quote:man, what a Christmas present that would be..
this "Leo the mole" situation may just backfire.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 12:01 pm to RebelVol
i don't know how long any of you have followed ole miss athletics but this can only end one way for ole miss
Posted on 6/12/17 at 12:30 pm to Quicksilver
I think you are in denial about the hole that MSU has dug for themselves. You would be a repeat offender and if allegations are true, I wouldn't be surprised to see a big lawsuit against MSU from Ole Miss for damages.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 12:32 pm to Quicksilver
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this can only end one way for ole miss

Posted on 6/12/17 at 2:08 pm to Quicksilver
So Dan Mullen sitting on the board for infractions.... Really talk about conflict of interest.
I wonder how and why he volunteered for that position....
I wonder how and why he volunteered for that position....
Posted on 6/12/17 at 4:47 pm to Quicksilver
After all that has gone on over the last few days, I could see the NCAA and Ole Miss
agreeing to sanctions just a little what Ole Miss proposed as a face saving measure
for both parties. Rebel Rags may have a decent case against the NCAA if it is proved
Leo Lewis isn't trustworthy. Overreach on the NCAA's part.
agreeing to sanctions just a little what Ole Miss proposed as a face saving measure
for both parties. Rebel Rags may have a decent case against the NCAA if it is proved
Leo Lewis isn't trustworthy. Overreach on the NCAA's part.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 5:04 pm to HailFreezusOver
Dan mullen is on the board of infractions?
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