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Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:52 am to pankReb
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:52 am to pankReb
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But you're right. The outrage over this is hilarious. It's as if people think the NOA contents will magically disappear if they aren't released immediately. The real reason is that people just want to see the contents now because they're bored with their lives and need immediate satisfaction.
Eh, people love to find and attack hypocrites/liars. The difference between you and them is that you are giving them the benefit of the doubt which is fine and they aren't. I was really just asking that question because more pressure is going to pile on with time passing. Wanted to make sure that it was something they actually said and not something I thought was said.
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:54 am to rockiee
The pressure really hits at the beginning. But most people(mainly the press) gets distracted pretty easily and it fades within a few weeks. Same thing happened last year and most people forgot about it.
The negative of that is then our releasing of it comes as some huge surprise and outrage on the release.
I think we released it last year two or three days before the deadline.
The negative of that is then our releasing of it comes as some huge surprise and outrage on the release.
I think we released it last year two or three days before the deadline.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:56 am to pankReb
So, Vitter, Bjork, and Freeze all got their scripts from an outside law firm and were able to produce that breathtaking video mere hours after said law firm received the 2nd NOA. We were told that the NOA had just been received that very day.
This transparency thing is kinda hard, it seems
This transparency thing is kinda hard, it seems
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:58 am to Vecchio Cane
You're pretty hardheaded 
Posted on 3/7/17 at 9:02 am to pankReb
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You're pretty hardheaded
That's one of my better qualities.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 9:04 am to Vecchio Cane
It's a safe bet that we've been in contact with the NCAA throughout the process so, for the most part, it's a good bet that we knew at least some of the contents before we actually received it.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:45 am to pankReb
quote:True.
It's a safe bet that we've been in contact with the NCAA throughout the process so, for the most part, it's a good bet that we knew at least some of the contents before we actually received it.
I've got a client 3 months behind on his payments. He knows it, I know it, we've discussed it and today I have the official notice sent via Fed-Ex. He has 30 days to cure his default or legal proceedings commence.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:46 am to pankReb
Ok in this last post you said when we actually received it, so did you receive it or not? Before you said the attorneys received it as they are not subject to it. You either did or didn't receive it.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:46 am to pankReb
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:46 am to pankReb
No need for another OM thread, so I'll just ask here:
What level of proof of wrongdoing will force rebels to admit that they were dirty and deserved to be hammered?
What level of punishment will bring them to their knees?
Conversely, what would it take for the rest of us to shrug this off and forget that it ever happened?
What would you consider "getting away with it" for OM?
What level of proof of wrongdoing will force rebels to admit that they were dirty and deserved to be hammered?
What level of punishment will bring them to their knees?
Conversely, what would it take for the rest of us to shrug this off and forget that it ever happened?
What would you consider "getting away with it" for OM?
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 10:53 am
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:58 am to Vecchio Cane
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What level of proof of wrongdoing will force rebels to admit that they were dirty and deserved to be hammered?
To me it appears more are willing to admit that they need be to hammered but are just upset that it isn't happening to other programs.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:05 am to rockiee
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To me it appears more are willing to admit that they need be to hammered but are just upset that it isn't happening to other programs
Yep
But what will cause the seminal moment?
Not here on tRant but judging other sites, I'd say if CHF keeps his job then OM fans will consider that a success. But if he is canned and has the LOIC pinned on him, they will have to admit defeat, imo.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:05 am to Vecchio Cane
quote:The OM folks seem to understand that "mistakes were made" and they need to be punished accordingly. But, just like any program in the same situation with the NCAA, they want other programs to suffer as well. I know I felt the same way in the Albert Means case. Secret witnesses, other SEC programs involved and bidding for him, etc.....Yet, Bama is the only team that suffered for damn near a decade.
No need for another OM thread, so I'll just ask here:
What level of proof of wrongdoing will force rebels to admit that they were dirty and deserved to be hammered?
What level of punishment will bring them to their knees?
Conversely, what would it take for the rest of us to shrug this off and forget that it ever happened?
What would you consider "getting away with it" for OM?
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:12 am to Vecchio Cane
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But what will cause the seminal moment?
I guess it just varies so much depending on the poster
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Not here on tRant but judging other sites, I'd say if CHF keeps his job then OM fans will consider that a success. But if he is canned and has the LOIC pinned on him, they will have to admit defeat, imo.
I have felt like getting rid of Freeze would be better overall. I just think even if he survives this, many are going to view this as an asterisk over his career. He is never going to get the benefit of the doubt in the future if allegations are made, whether that is fair or not.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:11 pm to martbaker1
Legal counsel represents ole miss in this case so I include them in "we".
Is there a possibility of a copy being stashed somewhere deep in bjork's desk? I wouldn't doubt it. But officially(legally), we haven't received the NOA from the NCAA.
Also...you guys are correct in that no ole miss fan is denying that we cheated. We just got caught playing the same game that everyone else plays. We do have an issue with offering our rivals immunity which basically allows them to say whatever the hell they want and makes us have to prove it wrong.
And if freeze keeps his job then we will definitely be happy as that very likely means the LOIC charge doesn't stick and the NCAA doesn't tack on much more than we've offered up. There's a lot of charges in the original NOA that have already been self-punished with the ncaa's input. Player suspensions, players paying back, etc.
If we lose freeze then we might as well join the CUSA. Like I said earlier, this means we get the LOIC, much more scholarships, another year of bowl ban(which would allow players to transfer), etc. Our program is trashed completely and no coach worth a shite would come here under those circumstances to get their asses handed to them by lsu, bama, etc.
Is there a possibility of a copy being stashed somewhere deep in bjork's desk? I wouldn't doubt it. But officially(legally), we haven't received the NOA from the NCAA.
Also...you guys are correct in that no ole miss fan is denying that we cheated. We just got caught playing the same game that everyone else plays. We do have an issue with offering our rivals immunity which basically allows them to say whatever the hell they want and makes us have to prove it wrong.
And if freeze keeps his job then we will definitely be happy as that very likely means the LOIC charge doesn't stick and the NCAA doesn't tack on much more than we've offered up. There's a lot of charges in the original NOA that have already been self-punished with the ncaa's input. Player suspensions, players paying back, etc.
If we lose freeze then we might as well join the CUSA. Like I said earlier, this means we get the LOIC, much more scholarships, another year of bowl ban(which would allow players to transfer), etc. Our program is trashed completely and no coach worth a shite would come here under those circumstances to get their asses handed to them by lsu, bama, etc.
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:30 pm to pankReb
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And if freeze keeps his job then we will definitely be happy as that very likely means the LOIC charge doesn't stick and the NCAA doesn't tack on much more than we've offered up. There's a lot of charges in the original NOA that have already been self-punished with the ncaa's input. Player suspensions, players paying back, etc.
If we lose freeze then we might as well join the CUSA. Like I said earlier, this means we get the LOIC, much more scholarships, another year of bowl ban(which would allow players to transfer), etc. Our program is trashed completely and no coach worth a shite would come here under those circumstances to get their asses handed to them by lsu, bama, etc.
Ya, at this point it is clear you have decided to ride and die with Freeze. I don't expect that to change unless like you said the LOIC becomes a factor. I question whether that was the best decision though, guess we will have to wait and see.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:42 pm to rockiee
We don't really have much of a choice but to stay with freeze. We're limited on what caliber of coach would come here under the circumstances....even the best case scenario of the punishments that we've offered. Freeze is a heck of a coach(offensively) and it would be very difficult for us to strike gold like that again.
He is our best shot at rebuilding after this is all over.
He is our best shot at rebuilding after this is all over.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:46 pm to pankReb
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We don't really have much of a choice but to stay with freeze. We're limited on what caliber of coach would come here under the circumstances....even the best case scenario of the punishments that we've offered. Freeze is a heck of a coach(offensively) and it would be very difficult for us to strike gold like that again.
There is no doubt that if you got rid of Freeze you would have to settle with a much lesser caliber coach as a bridge over these penalties. I just believe that his reputation is going to take such a hit that it is going to be difficult to see the kind of successes he had before. I have never been a big fan of him when it comes to in game coaching. I agree that he just put together some nice offensive schemes though. Nothing I feel extremely strong about, tough spot either way.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:48 pm to pankReb
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pankReb
I've never agreed with a Rebel (not named Mrs. Cane) this much. I kinda feel dirty.
Good Luck pankReb, fight the good fight
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:51 pm to pankReb
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Also...you guys are correct in that no ole miss fan is denying that we cheated. We just got caught playing the same game that everyone else plays.
Classic, "everyone was doing it". Heard on every school yard from here to Katmandu.
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We do have an issue with offering our rivals immunity which basically allows them to say whatever the hell they want and makes us have to prove it wrong.
Not. How. It. Works.
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If we lose freeze then we might as well join the CUSA. Like I said earlier, this means we get the LOIC, much more scholarships, another year of bowl ban(which would allow players to transfer), etc. Our program is trashed completely and no coach worth a shite would come here under those circumstances to get their asses handed to them by lsu, bama, etc.
Pretty accurate.
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