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re: 2016 Presidential Election: Trump vs Clinton

Posted on 10/12/16 at 4:03 pm to
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/12/16 at 4:03 pm to
No one will defend Trump's ability to say things he shouldn't. But to say to a TV audience something like that is a bit different than calling up Putin and discussing it over the phone.

Again, Hillary has actually put this country in national security danger on numerous occasions, and we are more focused on something Trump said on TV.

Doomed I tell you.
Posted by semotruman
Member since Nov 2011
23179 posts
Posted on 10/12/16 at 4:16 pm to
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My big theory right now is Trump is currently positioning himself for the post election Trump Media/News Network.

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His recent strong associations with Roger Ailes/Brietbart supports the idea he's going to parlay his presidential run into a very lucrative Alt-Right media empire.

I think it's been this all along. I don't believe he actually has any interest in being POTUS - governing is hard work. When Manafort was his campaign manager, he actually stated that foreign policy and domestic policy were the areas Trump had no interest in.

Trump is a narcissist, and all about Trump - specifically making money for himself and making himself look good. TrumpTV is coming, they've been working on it for months now.
Posted by KoachKletus
Member since Jan 2015
1102 posts
Posted on 10/12/16 at 4:18 pm to
Oh please, put our country national security at risk on numerous occasions is stretching beyond a lie. Out of the thousands of e-mails, it was parsed down to less than 100 that were retroactively marked as classified. And were not even identified properly when they were sent to her. I agree, she has stated that it was a mistake to use her own server. Now for the meat of the matter, the 3 problematic classified e-mails that were so "damaging" to our national security involved meetings that had already been held.

The fake outrage over her e-mails is beyond ridiculous. Can you imagine if people start looking for the 5 million e-mails that Rove lost that were hosted outside of the .gov domain? Actually, some people put it at over 22 million e-mails. Where the hell is the outrage over that?
Posted by KoachKletus
Member since Jan 2015
1102 posts
Posted on 10/12/16 at 4:25 pm to
One last tidbit before I jump off - People keep saying you have to vote - get out to vote - do your patriotic duty. I disagree. I think our patriotic duty is to research each candidate as best we can. And then vote. To vote just because of an "R" or "D" by their name is ignorant. Washington is full of lapdogs simply because we are partisan bitches. Research my good friends, research. Know what and whom you are voting for.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124688 posts
Posted on 10/12/16 at 4:26 pm to
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Also, who is being investigated today and has a hearing on December?
Let's guess it was not someone who had the AG and FBI working to fix their investigation. Amirite?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124688 posts
Posted on 10/12/16 at 4:27 pm to
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I think our patriotic duty is to research each candidate as best we can
Facts not in evidence.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124688 posts
Posted on 10/12/16 at 4:41 pm to
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put our country national security at risk on numerous occasions is stretching beyond a lie.
So you are not familiar with SAP material?
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
120023 posts
Posted on 10/12/16 at 4:51 pm to
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Oh please, put our country national security at risk on numerous occasions is stretching beyond a lie. Out of the thousands of e-mails, it was parsed down to less than 100 that were retroactively marked as classified. And were not even identified properly when they were sent to her. I agree, she has stated that it was a mistake to use her own server. Now for the meat of the matter, the 3 problematic classified e-mails that were so "damaging" to our national security involved meetings that had already been held.

The fake outrage over her e-mails is beyond ridiculous.


This is a joke, right?
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
72937 posts
Posted on 10/12/16 at 6:08 pm to
I find it dangerously ironic the same people claiming the main stream media lies and suppresses the truth now blindly accepts the content of illegally obtained emails, probably obtained by a foreign government. I'm not saying they're fabricated but a typical Russian chess move would be to leak thousands of legit emails with a few manufactured ones sprinkled in that would appear highly nefarious.

Very scary stuff.
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
72937 posts
Posted on 10/12/16 at 6:14 pm to
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Donald J. Trump was emphatic in the second presidential debate: Yes, he had boasted about kissing women without permission and grabbing their genitals. But he had never actually done those things, he said. “No,” he declared under questioning on Sunday evening, “I have not.” At that moment, sitting at home in Manhattan, Jessica Leeds, 74, felt he was lying to her face. “I wanted to punch the screen,” she said in an interview in her apartment. More than three decades ago, when she was a traveling businesswoman at a paper company, Ms. Leeds said, she sat beside Mr. Trump in the first-class cabin of a flight to New York. They had never met before. About 45 minutes after takeoff, she recalled, Mr. Trump lifted the armrest and began to touch her. According to Ms. Leeds, Mr. Trump grabbed her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt. “He was like an octopus,” she said. “His hands were everywhere.” She fled to the back of the plane. “It was an assault,” she said.


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Times. Mr. Trump’s claim that his crude words had never turned into actions was similarly infuriating to a woman watching on Sunday night in Ohio: Rachel Crooks. Ms. Crooks was a 22-year-old receptionist at Bayrock Group, a real estate investment and development company in Trump Tower in Manhattan, when she encountered Mr. Trump outside an elevator in the building one morning in 2005. Aware that her company did business with Mr. Trump, she turned and introduced herself. They shook hands, but Mr. Trump would not let go, she said. Instead, he began kissing her cheeks. Then, she said, he “kissed me directly on the mouth.” It didn’t feel like an accident, she said. It felt like a violation. “It was so inappropriate,” Ms. Crooks recalled in an interview. “I was so upset that he thought I was so insignificant that he could do that.”


www.nytimes.com
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 10/12/16 at 6:28 pm to
It's an ends justify the means scenario. It's okay to them for Russians to be hacking the DNC emails in an attempt to influence the election because they've convinced themselves there are nefarious things in there that would disqualify her from being President. That's how much they hate her.
Posted by Mars duMorgue
Sunset Dist/SF
Member since Aug 2015
2816 posts
Posted on 10/12/16 at 6:34 pm to
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I'm voting 3rd party,

Jill Stein gets mine.

Posted by Tillman
Member since May 2016
12368 posts
Posted on 10/12/16 at 6:39 pm to
liberals think republicans voters are fearful of Russia that their obviously dumb talking point that trump is in cahoots with Putin will scare us into voting for Hillary. these are the same people who prior to this election would have the vapors about McCarthyism. lol

there is no evidence that it was Russia who hacked the DNC emails. Julian Assange says Russia was not involved. given Putin has done whatever he wants the past 8 years, the Democrat party has been so great for him.
Posted by Tillman
Member since May 2016
12368 posts
Posted on 10/12/16 at 6:40 pm to
it isn't fake outrage, anybody else would be going to jail if they set up servers and private emails to send classified info. it also begs the question, what was she trying to hide. why did she delete 33,000 emails.
This post was edited on 10/12/16 at 6:41 pm
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
66137 posts
Posted on 10/12/16 at 6:51 pm to
I'm so confused by who to trust in the media.

The PT thinks every outlet except a link only the most staunch cellar redneck follows is bunk. Is that true? Should I take their advice?

This post was edited on 10/12/16 at 7:00 pm
Posted by semotruman
Member since Nov 2011
23179 posts
Posted on 10/12/16 at 6:54 pm to
The fact that you would believe Julian Assange says it all. He's a criminal. Our own intelligence personnel have been briefing both candidates since mid-August and provided documentation that Russia is behind the hacks in an attempt to influence the election. They are not pleased that he's "willfully disregarding" this information and stating publicly that we don't know who's behind it, or if it's even happened. Republicans in Congress want Obama to retaliate against Russia, and their candidate is ignoring our intelligence. So, would he ignore our intelligence if he were elected? Is that what we want in a President?

Why would he be doing that? What's his reason, his game? Could it be that he owes money to Russian banks?

She is full of her own flaws, but to pretend he's anything other than a narcissistic, bombastic self-important buffoon is ignorant.
Posted by Tillman
Member since May 2016
12368 posts
Posted on 10/12/16 at 6:59 pm to
why would Putin have a problem with Democrats, a leftwing party, given he has done whatever he wants during the Obama years. everybody knows Democrats are pussies and Putin wants pussies in power in America.
This post was edited on 10/12/16 at 7:00 pm
Posted by Tillman
Member since May 2016
12368 posts
Posted on 10/12/16 at 7:21 pm to
Wikileaks included speech where Clinton was gushing over Putin and bragging about meeting him. lol oops. that talking point just got murdered, RIP
This post was edited on 10/12/16 at 7:22 pm
Posted by Bigbens42
Trussvegas
Member since Nov 2013
6414 posts
Posted on 10/12/16 at 7:24 pm to
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I'm voting 3rd party, just like the last 2 Presidential elections. They can both suck my dick.


Johnson because I want the Libertarians to have a seat at the table next go around, but if I lived in a swing state it would be Clinton, I'm afraid.
Posted by Tillman
Member since May 2016
12368 posts
Posted on 10/12/16 at 7:31 pm to
wikileaks revealed that hillary said terrorism is not a threat to america. guess she was in a coma on 9-11.
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