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2016 Presidential Election: Trump vs Clinton
Posted on 10/11/16 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 10/11/16 at 3:15 pm
Okay, this thread is to discuss anything about the Presidential election without having a bunch of political threads on this forum. All opinions welcome and respected. I will be updating this thread will current poll data, tweets, and news.
Please don't anchor, TIA
Please don't anchor, TIA
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Posted on 10/11/16 at 3:17 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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Posted on 10/11/16 at 3:29 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
Posted on 10/11/16 at 3:58 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
I'm voting 3rd party, just like the last 2 Presidential elections. They can both suck my dick.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 4:28 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
We should go back to a monarchy IMO
Posted on 10/11/16 at 4:29 pm to crispyUGA
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They can both suck my dick.
You secretly an Aggie?
J/k frick them both.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 5:03 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
Checking in for 3rd party as well.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 5:08 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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Trump vs Clinton
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President
Posted on 10/11/16 at 5:18 pm to TT9
I'd just like to say, I'm proud of the 3rd party voters in here. You are not throwing your vote away as the two major parties would have you believe.
Instead you are sending a message that both parties need to change and provide better choices.
Instead you are sending a message that both parties need to change and provide better choices.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 5:51 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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I'd just like to say, I'm proud of the 3rd party voters in here. You are not throwing your vote away as the two major parties would have you believe.
They are.
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Instead you are sending a message that both parties need to change and provide better choices.
They won't. A Libertarian card won't scare anyone, it'll just play spoiler to either party. Staying in a race knowing you can't win just asks for an avalanche of blame to come crashing down on your neck.
For me, what's not a waste of time is voting against the person if you can't vote for one.
Hillary is unelectable, by her own party's standards (via newly released emails) and has way too many problems with corruption.
Donald Trump is a self-centered television host with no political clout other than what he's paid for.
Between the two, Hillary scares me more because she'd levy her office for more personal favors and is obviously a puppet.
So, I can either vote for someone who actually has a legitimate chance to win, or be some pseudo-principled man baby (like every other Libertarian) and be edgy and outside of mainstream.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 6:01 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Bill Clinton won in 1992 because of Ross Perot.
Gore lost the election in 2000 because of Ralph Nader. If Gore would have persued the Nader crowd, he may have won.
Third party votes do make a difference and influence the outcome of elections. They can change the way the two party candidates approach campaigning and legislating.
However, I see where you're coming from and the polls indicate more voters feel the exact opposite of you with regards to Trump and Hillary.
Hillary, while deeply flawed, represents a candidate of stability. Trump on the other hand, represents a candidate of chaos, authoritarianism, pettiness, and political incompetence.
Gore lost the election in 2000 because of Ralph Nader. If Gore would have persued the Nader crowd, he may have won.
Third party votes do make a difference and influence the outcome of elections. They can change the way the two party candidates approach campaigning and legislating.
However, I see where you're coming from and the polls indicate more voters feel the exact opposite of you with regards to Trump and Hillary.
Hillary, while deeply flawed, represents a candidate of stability. Trump on the other hand, represents a candidate of chaos, authoritarianism, pettiness, and political incompetence.
This post was edited on 10/11/16 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 10/11/16 at 6:28 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
hoping enough people with vote Johnson to force the hand of congress (those guys that hate hillary and are denouncing trump 1 by 1)
ETA: was Abe Lincoln not a 3rd party candidate>?
ETA: was Abe Lincoln not a 3rd party candidate>?
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Posted on 10/11/16 at 6:38 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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However, I see where you're coming from and the polls indicate...
I would not trust polling nearly as much as the past in this election for a whole hell of a lot of reasons.
Hillary is not the candidate for stability -- she is what we're accustomed to but she is absolutely an agent of chaos.
Open borders, refugees with little vetting and basically the exact same policies that President Bush and President Obama have done respectively.
Polls, this election, are completely corruptible and it is quite clear that Clinton fingers are almost everywhere -- and I say that as a Socialist, not some lunatic fringe right-wing lifelong Conservative.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 6:57 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Polls, this election, are completely corruptible and it is quite clear that Clinton fingers are almost everywhere -- and I say that as a Socialist, not some lunatic fringe right-wing lifelong Conservative.
So you think there is some massive polling conspiracy? Because there are a shitload of independent polls out there and their leanings have also been statistically proven.
Objectively speaking, If there was any polling manipulation, it would be to make the election appear closer than it really is. The media basically created Trump and it's in everyone's interest to make the race seem tight. Otherwise, fewer people pay attention and that's what campaigning is, a competition for attention.
This post was edited on 10/11/16 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:00 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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So you think there is some massive polling conspiracy? Because there are a shitload of independent polls out there and their leanings have also been statistically proven.
I wouldn't call it that massive, but if you don't think polls are being tampered with at least a little I have to consider your perception.
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Objectively speaking
Stop feigning that you are.
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If there was any polling manipulation, it would be to make the election appear closer than it really is. The media basically created Trump and it's in everyone's interest to make the race seem tight.
Have you just not read the emails between Hillary's campaign and news corporations?
The DNC Links/Leaks?
Anything?
Seriously, either you're uninterested in what's already readily available, haven't been paying attention or at the very most lying.
This post was edited on 10/11/16 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:01 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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efugees with little vetting and basically the exact same policies that President Bush and President Obama have done respectively
We already have a pretty strict vetting process. It takes an average of two years currently to process a refugee into the United States and only about half of applicants make it through.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:06 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Have you just not read the emails between Hillary's campaign and news corporations? The DNC Links? Anything? Seriously, either you're uninterested in what's already readily available, haven't been paying attention or at the very most lying.
please post your smoking gun email find, I can almost guarantee you there's nothing nefarious there. Both parties Republican and Democrat, work in conjunction with the media all the time to promote their messages.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:07 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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We already have a pretty strict vetting process.
I would love to keep it that way.
Hence: Let's not vote for Clinton.
That's kind of the point, because when she talks about open borders to her corporate backers I doubt it will remain that way.
At least read what I'm saying before responding.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:12 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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please post your smoking gun email find
Soros asking Clinton to intervene in another country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Society_Foundations
I'm sure you're aware of who George Soros is?
Posted on 10/11/16 at 7:28 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
So what was illegal or damning in that email?
I know who Soros is. In the email he is asking for assistance in building an international coalition to solve a very real problem in Albania. He's not asking to put U.S. troops on the ground or anything.
How do you think shite gets done in internationally?!?
Like it or not, Soros is a global leader. Global leaders work with other leaders to accomplish goals to improve and save lives. That's what it sounds like he was trying to do in this email.
And I know he's a big Democratic donor. I'm sure he pays top dollar to make sure Hillary reads that email herself. And that is what the big donors pay for, access. What did she do about it? I don't know.
However, the evidence of pay for play does not exist in this email. As much as you want it to, it doesn't.
Got anymore?
I get the simple conspiracy thinking here though: Soros to Hillary, asking for something while she was Secretary of State?!? Ohhhh, we got her!! Nevermind the context.
I know who Soros is. In the email he is asking for assistance in building an international coalition to solve a very real problem in Albania. He's not asking to put U.S. troops on the ground or anything.
How do you think shite gets done in internationally?!?
Like it or not, Soros is a global leader. Global leaders work with other leaders to accomplish goals to improve and save lives. That's what it sounds like he was trying to do in this email.
And I know he's a big Democratic donor. I'm sure he pays top dollar to make sure Hillary reads that email herself. And that is what the big donors pay for, access. What did she do about it? I don't know.
However, the evidence of pay for play does not exist in this email. As much as you want it to, it doesn't.
Got anymore?
I get the simple conspiracy thinking here though: Soros to Hillary, asking for something while she was Secretary of State?!? Ohhhh, we got her!! Nevermind the context.
This post was edited on 10/11/16 at 7:53 pm
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