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re: All trolling aside. Aggies receiving core

Posted on 5/10/16 at 3:17 pm to
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 3:17 pm to
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That is asking a lot


Probably. It seems to require one of two things:

1. Find another JFF
2. Fire Sumlin


I'd have to guess that the 2nd option is the more likely of the two. I do think Chavis is going to get your Rush D to be a respectable unit. I'm not sold that Sumlin can do the same for the offense.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
44080 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 3:17 pm to
quote:

To be fair aggies are a lot like auburn imo


Gus' offense centers around a run game. They are nothing alike.
Posted by Pitch To Johnny
Houston
Member since Jun 2015
4195 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 3:21 pm to
quote:

1. Find another JFF
2. Fire Sumlin





quote:

I do think Chavis is going to get your Rush D to be a respectable unit. I'm not sold that Sumlin can do the same for the offense.
Can't say that I disagree. I think our rush/coverage will be just fine. Still a little worried about run defense.

Sumlin has been slowly getting the coaching pieces in place. I feel like its now to the point that there is only one more direction to look if the season is unsuccessful. Well see.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34346 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 3:26 pm to
quote:

It seems to require one of two things:

1. Find another JFF
2. Fire Sumlin


JFF is once in a lifetime, so that isn't a given.

For the other part of it, well Sumlin isn't the only problem. Which is what I was implying in my post.

To be good at defending against the run you need two things:

1. A talented and deep D line

2. A coaching staff that emphasizes that part of the game

Firing Sumlin fixes 2, but the first item is basically proof that college football is a caste system.

Elite D Line talent is ALWAYS easier to spot than other positions (large athletic freak), which means those players are more highly recruited than other players at other positions. To stop the run like an elite team you have to recruit like an elite team, which almost every program in the country (except Ole Miss) doesn't just wake up one morning and decide to do. There are things outside of the control of the coaching staff (program prestige, concentration of D line talent in deep south, etc.) that come into the equation.

I have kinda given up on that, I am more pissed our o line (which was great with three star level recruits a few years ago) has fallen off. Running the ball is a way easier task than stopping the run.

Posted by bama will rise again
N Alabama
Member since Apr 2014
1669 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 3:28 pm to
They do run more but how do u know this team wont.. I meant the 13 team when they had the threat of their receivers.. if Night can spark run game, wasnt really saying they have same schemes just how they prefer to win without defense
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
44080 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 3:33 pm to
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wasnt really saying they have same schemes just how they prefer to win without defense


Auburn's defense in 2013 held opponents to 163 YPG on the ground. That's just below average in the SEC. They countered that by rushed for more than 325 YPG.

You can think I'm wrong, but the facts don't lie. You have to win the battle in the trenches, on both sides, to win in the West.
Posted by bbrownso
Member since Mar 2008
8985 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 3:53 pm to
quote:

Knight was an above-average QB


I'm not trolling but you guys need to pump the brakes a bit and acknowledge the possibility of failure.

Trevor Knight is an average QB with some potential but he's gaining a mythos that he's going to set the world on fire because he went to A&M.

For some perspective, according to sports-reference.com, Brandon Harris last year had a higher passer efficiency rating than Trevor Knight has for his whole career at Oklahoma (or any single year at Oklahoma).
Posted by hogminer
Bella Vista, AR.
Member since Apr 2010
9676 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 3:53 pm to
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Calvin Ridely, Adarius Stewart and Robert Foster say hello.


Given the choice I would pick the Aggies recievers.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34346 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:07 pm to
quote:

I'm not trolling but you guys need to pump the brakes a bit and acknowledge the possibility of failure.



We are happy to. The more people expect us to fail the better we do usually.
Posted by Chill98
Member since Aug 2015
2151 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:13 pm to
Correction:

First unit:

Outside - Reynolds and Noil

Slot - Kirk/Seals-Jones

H-Back- Aaron Hansford (4* Under Armour All American frosh)

TE- Kalvin Cline (VT transfer)
Posted by finestfirst79
Vicksburg, Mississippi
Member since Nov 2012
11646 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:13 pm to
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I feel like its now to the point that there is only one more direction to look if the season is unsuccessful.


Ding, ding, ding!

We're happy with both coordinators and all position coaches (overlooking Moorehead being an apparent moron). If they have another October meltdown... not a good look for Sumlin.
Posted by GFaceKillah
Welcome to the Third World
Member since Nov 2005
5935 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:17 pm to
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The more people expect us to fail the better we do usually.


This is as dumb as all of the LSU posters crowing about the 4 year cycle last season. It means absolutely nothing regarding the play on the field.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34346 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:18 pm to
quote:

It means absolutely nothing regarding the play on the field


Not true. Some players respond better to adversity, they are fired up about "proving people wrong."
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:27 pm to
quote:

Trevor Knight is an average QB with some potential but he's gaining a mythos that he's going to set the world on fire because he went to A&M.


Whoa... I don't think anyone is saying he is going to set the world on fire, just be a major improvement over a midget QB that can't pass and a normal sized QB whose brain melted down live on national TV and never really ever returned. A&M last year was a totally QB-dependent offense... with no QB. It was unbearable to watch. It'll be nice to have a pretty good QB again, even if he isn't Heisman caliber.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 4:29 pm
Posted by GFaceKillah
Welcome to the Third World
Member since Nov 2005
5935 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:31 pm to
I agree that this type of motivation works on some players. I don't think expectations of failure always translate into better than expected results. Especially in a team sport like football.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34346 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:36 pm to
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I don't think expectations of failure always translate into better than expected results.


Oh yeah, I am basically advocating a superstition. I was born in Louisiana after all, its in my DNA to believe in that kind of made up shite.
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:39 pm to
Not necessarily just expectations of failure... but having the whole world against you, yes. When we came into the SEC we were laughed at, derided, and told that we'd go 0-fer in conference for a decade and that our offense would never work. That created an "us against the world" mentality, that the players have attested to. It bound them together and motivated them. Fast forward to this year, both QBs left and dissed the program, everyone wants their coach fired, a bunch of assistants DID get fired, Moorehead drunk-tweeted some BS that the UTw-led media empire has decided to exaggerate and devote articles and whole shows to - ranging from ESPN to totally ridiculous outlets like Rolling Stone jumping in - and all the pundits are saying that we're going to suck. So not just expectations of failure - an all-out assault against them that will either bind them together or ruin them.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 4:41 pm
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38430 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:43 pm to
Sorry read the OP as Rushing duos.

Carry on
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44044 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 5:20 pm to
I don't think he's saying there's any causation there, just that it coincidentally seems to work out that way.
Posted by Chill98
Member since Aug 2015
2151 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:35 pm to
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We're happy with both coordinators and all position coaches (overlooking Moorehead being an apparent moron).



I went to Stanford after A&M and work with a bunch of Virginia Tech alumni. I've also interacted with a bunch of the Elite 11 staff in this region. They all swear that the Mazzone (Noel and Taylor) and Moorehead are the "real deal".

BTW...They also said that Nick Starkel was probably the best overall QB by the end of camp. It's sort of funny that their top "dudes" weren't Shea Patterson or any of the other "elite" 5 stars, but were Brandon Mcilwain (South Carolina) and Nick Starkel (A&M).

I like this Elite 11 clip from Trent Dilfer.

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