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Interesting article about Kirby Smart
Posted on 4/19/16 at 8:23 am
Posted on 4/19/16 at 8:23 am
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The thing about the article that really hits a chord is Michael Adams. Really says a lot without saying a lot. Here is the quote from the article that keeps us frustrated as Georgia fans.
Why the frick not? Why can't we be Alabama? I mean if guys like this are running things then it explains the mindset.
The thing about the article that really hits a chord is Michael Adams. Really says a lot without saying a lot. Here is the quote from the article that keeps us frustrated as Georgia fans.
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"I don't think Georgia's going to become Alabama," said Michael Adams, who served as Georgia's president from 1997 to 2013. "It's a different constituency, it's a different mindset, it's a much different state, a much more pluralistic state. There probably are some elements of what Coach Saban has done that will work at Georgia, and there's some elements that have been there a long time, through a number of coaches at Georgia, that I don't think will change."
Why the frick not? Why can't we be Alabama? I mean if guys like this are running things then it explains the mindset.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 8:27 am to Prettyboy Floyd
It pisses me off that his name is on my diploma.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 9:38 am to Prettyboy Floyd
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Why the frick not? Why can't we be Alabama? I mean if guys like this are running things then it explains the mindset.
UGA does not want to be Bama. Adams is an administrator concerned with education first. Athletics is extra curricular at UGA. That's not necessarily so at Bama and Auburn, where football is all they have to hang their hats on. Bama and Auburn are schools where Georgia kids have to go when they can't get into UGA. There's much more to the state of Georgia than college football, a NASCAR race track, and a rocket town.
UGA can be both a very strong academic institution and strong athletically, as Adams was trying to point out. We don't want football to drive the school, and it shouldn't. UGA should aspire to be the Stanford of the East rather than the Bama.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 9:42 am to Cobb Dawg
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UGA can be both a very strong academic institution and strong athletically, as Adams was trying to point out. We don't want football to drive the school, and it shouldn't. UGA should aspire to be the Stanford of the East rather than the Bama.
Bama is both, why can't we be both? Bama is a strong academic institution but when it comes to football they are balls out to win. We should be the same.
Also, Bama rakes in more cash than any one while also having that kind of commitment to football. We should at the very least be competitive in that reguard.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 10:44 am to Prettyboy Floyd
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Bama is both, why can't we be both? Bama is a strong academic institution
Errrr.......not exactly.
According to U.S. News:
Bama is ranked 96th overall; UGA is 61st.
Bama is ranked 43rd of public institutions; UGA is 21st.
For various courses of study:
Business
Bama - 53rd / UGA - 55th (#2 Insurance and #3 Real Estate)
Education
Bama - 107th / UGA - 34th
Law
Bama - 28th / UGA - 33rd
Bio Science
Bama - 115th / UGA - 42nd
Chemistry
Bama - 92nd / UGA - 56th
Public Affairs
Bama - 130th / UGA - 4th
Pretty big gaps in most places there (comparing common programs between the two). They have us in engineering as we are still in fledgling stages there, yet they are still ranked 105th. We have them in Vet Schools at 10th...and in a number of other common programs.
We have NO programs ranking outside the top 100 (Computer Science is 90th, Earth Sciences 88th, Physics 85th, Economics 64th, and English 59th for our lowest five). They have numerous other programs in the 90s and 100s.
This really isn't as close as you think it is.
This post was edited on 4/19/16 at 10:47 am
Posted on 4/19/16 at 10:50 am to S1C EM
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According to U.S. News: Bama is ranked 96th overall; UGA is 61st.
And these rankings are fairly subjective. Bama is not exactly at the bottom of the heap in the SEC academically yet they are far superior in football.
They manage to be a football institution with a pretty strong academic one as well. Not a strong as Georgia but strong enough. Not even bottom tier in the SEC. Adams is basically suggesting we can't do both which is crap.
This post was edited on 4/19/16 at 10:51 am
Posted on 4/19/16 at 10:59 am to Prettyboy Floyd
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Adams is basically suggesting we can't do both which is crap.
I'm not saying you're wrong to think that. In fact, I agree with you. Just saying there is a pretty big gap. And really, ALL rankings are pretty subjective. The same can be said for college football. Still, the source here is considered the standard.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 1:31 pm to S1C EM
I would argue that academic rankings have typically been independent of athletic department decisions for UGA. The real boost that UGA has had in academics has come as a result of the HOPE grant keeping more quality students in-state for a free ride. Alabama has actually had a big boost academically due to the increased enrollment and applications that I think many might attribute to their football program's popularity. Significant boosts to out of state applications and admits (extra money for the school). The volume of applications alone has allowed them to get more selective on who they admit in from a general student population.
I disagree with the idea that changes that are made to the football program are going to decrease the quality of the university on an academic basis. I'm not recommending we take a bunch of functionally retarded kids who are great athletes, but I don't believe that Bama has been doing this either. They've been using the guidelines that the NCAA has in place to define minimums. At that point, it is on the program to get these kids to perform both on the field *AND* in the classroom.
I disagree with the idea that changes that are made to the football program are going to decrease the quality of the university on an academic basis. I'm not recommending we take a bunch of functionally retarded kids who are great athletes, but I don't believe that Bama has been doing this either. They've been using the guidelines that the NCAA has in place to define minimums. At that point, it is on the program to get these kids to perform both on the field *AND* in the classroom.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 2:16 pm to Prettyboy Floyd
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It's a different constituency, it's a different mindset, it's a much different state, a much more pluralistic state.
this is and always will be true...and why we will never be Bama...and we shouldn't strive to be in total...imho...Alabama is a great place and has some wonderful history and people...(my wife is from Montgomery)...BUT...that state and its people...in whole....do not hold a candle to the greatest state in the Union, the 13th colony...UGA is tFlagship...it should be representative of its people and population and land...
Alabama is not as good of a place..its just not...and they have nothing else to hang their hat on...literally...its college football...that is their greatest "thing"...we are better than that...Adams is making that point in his statement...he isn't saying we can't win Natty's and be great at all of our athletics...he's saying we don't want to be Bama...cause we are already better than they are (in whole)...my .02
Posted on 4/19/16 at 2:34 pm to SthGADawg
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It's a different constituency, it's a different mindset, it's a much different state, a much more pluralistic state
No, he saying that Georgia athletics will always take a back seat to UGA academics and it will continue that way. UGA uses it's football program to fund all of its other athletic endeavor's yet when it comes time to pony up in what I will term the athletic dick beating contest with IPF's and having all these perks to entice recruits UGA has lagged behind sometimes drastically.
I don't give a flying frick about the state of Georgia. This is about competitive football. It's time to stop making excuses and do what it takes to win.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 6:45 pm to S1C EM
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Errrr.......not exactly. According to U.S. News:
I would say that both schools are similar academically. Bama has us beat in Law and Business. We were ranked higher than them last year in business and ranked higher than them in law few years ago. Law, business, and engineering are significant colleges within any university and we should strive to improve our rankings in those fields. The reason Bama gets many out of state applicant's is because Bama is known for providing generous merit scholarship to OOS students. I think the beauty of the campus itself attracts many students. Having a winning football team sends waves of publicly throughout the nation attracting many students.
Having said all that, there are tons of things going for UGA. For example, we have a new business learning community, so expect the ranking of UGA to surpass Bama in the next few years. We have also raised significanlty' more money each year under Moorehead than any other presidents before. We have also opened a new Vet campus. I strongly belive UGA will also have it's own independent medical school in the future. I also believe that UGA is closer to an AAU membership than Bama due to UGA's stronger research performance. Anyway, both schools are great in different ways.
To address the topic, what Michael Adams said is ridiculous. I mean if Bama has a different "mindset" than UGA, then what about Florida, Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, Notre Dame and other schools with strong academics and a historically strong football team. There is no reason why we can't be both good at football and academics. I believe Adams and McGarity's mindset is why we can't achieve to our potential. They are the leaders in mediocrity.
This post was edited on 4/19/16 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 4/20/16 at 7:07 am to Prettyboy Floyd
no he is saying that Alabama is full of toothless rednecks that will refinance their trailer so that their demi god Nick Saban keeps rolling in the nattys..
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I don't give a flying frick about the state of Georgia
Posted on 4/20/16 at 7:30 am to MouseBenQ
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I would say that both schools are similar academically. Bama has us beat in Law and Business. We were ranked higher than them last year in business and ranked higher than them in law few years ago. Law, business, and engineering are significant colleges within any university and we should strive to improve our rankings in those fields.
I understand your point; however, the business and law rankings are pretty interchangeable. You're talking a difference of only 3-5 spots and them being ahead in those is a recent development that I don't expect to be sustained perpetually. As for many of the other rankings.....there are HUGE gaps between us. Again, we've got NOTHING outside the 90 spot. The vast majority of their programs are at or beyond the 100 level.
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To address the topic, what Michael Adams said is ridiculous. I mean if Bama has a different "mindset" than UGA, then what about Florida, Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, Notre Dame and other schools with strong academics and a historically strong football team. There is no reason why we can't be both good at football and academics.
You're spot-on here. Really, we should be looking to UF on how to make these work hand-in-hand. They have mastered this better than anyone (and I can't tell you how much I hate to say that, btw). I believe the administration thought that's what they would get with Ears, given his time working under Foley. It just hasn't panned out and he has shown himself to be particularly inept when it comes to developing and maintaining a winning athletic culture.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 7:41 am to S1C EM
UF is a good school with good athletics. But don't be fooled- UF's mindset is much closer to Bama than UGA. They are known and proven cheaters.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 9:45 am to S1C EM
Law school ranking at Alabama must have gone up significantly very recently. I went to UGA law but had to work one summer in B'ham because it was the Olympics in ATL and those Alabama kids (while fun to be around) were not overly sharp nor did they have great academic backgrounds. I understand Alabama is a much bigger school now, but I highly doubt things have changed that much. Maybe the criteria is wonky or UGA could just be more honest in what they report to the ranking services. Good to know though, UGA law needs to get those rankings up!
Posted on 4/20/16 at 11:37 am to HinesvilleThrill
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It pisses me off that his name is on my diploma.
Just think how awful he feels that his signature is on your diploma.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 12:41 pm to AlaCowboy
He's too arrogant to give a shite but I think he would feel pretty awful.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 10:16 pm to Prettyboy Floyd
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ama is both, why can't we be both? Bama is a strong academic institution but when it comes to football they are balls out to win. We should be the same.
Also, Bama rakes in more cash than any one while also having that kind of commitment to football. We should at the very least be competitive in that reguard.
Do you really think that UGA should aspire to be the academic institution that is Bama? Do you know any Georgia kids who attend Bama and how they would love to have been able to have had the grades to have gotten into UGA? Bama is a football program with a school attached. So is Auburn. UGA is a great academic institution, growing in reputation, that has a very good extra-curricular football program. Football should not run a university.
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