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re: Why didn't Saban have more success at LSU?
Posted on 1/23/16 at 4:17 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 1/23/16 at 4:17 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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There is absolutely nothing about bama that is any more or less special than any other top 10 or so program, and yes that includes LSU.
You keep telling yourself that. Mike DuBose won a SEC title at Alabama. MIKE DUBOSE!!! That doesn't happen at LSU or any other school in the SEC for that matter.
Gene Stallings was a loser everywhere he went. Before arriving at Alabama he had only ever had one season with a winning record in 11 combined seasons as a head coach in college and the NFL. He comes to Alabama in 1990, averages 10 wins a season over 7 seasons at Alabama, and wins a national championship in 1992.
Mike Shula of all people managed a 10-win season while under heavy probation in 2005.
Good coaches (Stallings) win national titles at Alabama. Great coaches (Bryant/Saban) become legends of the sport. You don't find at LSU.
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Posted on 1/23/16 at 4:22 pm to reggierayreb
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They're LSU
From an Ole Piss fan. This is the most iron thing I've seen all day.
Posted on 1/23/16 at 4:44 pm to CrimsonFever
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He wasn't exactly the biggest name in coaching when he got to Alabama either.
A lot of Bama fans wanted us to hire Rich Rod instead of Saban at the time.
You are dead wrong about that. All the bama fans wanted Saban. Most of us thought it was a pipe dream though. There were rumors that he was not happy in Miami, but Saban refused to even talk with any colleges until after the NFL season was over. Bama went after Rich Rod because we thought it was too risky to wait until January. Rich Rod turned us down (which shows just how bad of shape the program was in), and then Moore decided he might as well wait until January and go Saban or bust.
And Saban was still a superstar at the time (at least in SEC territory). Everyone knew he would do great. His hiring was monumental. He became the highest paid coach in NCAA football by far before he ever stepped foot on campus. The media could not believe it and they gave him hell for it. NFL coaches get fired and go to college all the time, but no NFL coaches quit a premier NFL job like Miami (with full control) to take a college job for equal pay. It changed everything in college sports.
Posted on 1/23/16 at 4:45 pm to RollTide1987
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You keep telling yourself that. Mike DuBose won a SEC title at Alabama. MIKE DUBOSE!!!
Ok and Jerry Stovall took LSU to 2 "BCS" level bowl games. Gerry Dinardo won 10 games. Mike Archer finished in the top 10 and won the SEC.
Even outside of LSU lets look around:
Gary Moeller won the rose bowl and multiple big ten titles at Michigan
Ray Goff had a top 10 season at Georgia
Fred Akers had 3 top 5 finishes at Texas
Phil freakin Fulmer won an NC at Tennessee
All these guys are pretty meh coaches who had a brief shining moment or 2 at a top tier institution. Alabama is not the only school that has seen this phenomenon.
This post was edited on 1/23/16 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 1/23/16 at 4:46 pm to RollTide1987
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You keep telling yourself that. Mike DuBose won a SEC title at Alabama. MIKE DUBOSE!!! That doesn't happen at LSU or any other school in the SEC for that matter.
You are crazy if you think Alabama is what made Saban a great coach. Saban could have done the same thing at LSU, UGA, Tennessee, or Florida. Oh, and Dubose won the SEC in the same year that he lost to LaTech. The SEC West was awful that year and Florida was down. That roster was loaded with recruits he and his boosters had bought as well. Other than Pat Dye, Dubose was about as corrupt of an SEC coach as you will ever find.
This post was edited on 1/23/16 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 1/23/16 at 4:49 pm to Monticello
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You are crazy if you think Alabama is what made Saban a great coach. Saban could have done the same thing at LSU, UGA, Tennessee, or Florida.
I would even concede that Bama does have a certain intangible, instilled from years and years and years of success, that gives them a little bit of an edge over other schools, even top level programs. I think that's fair. But man some people really take that and blow it out of proportion to make it almost as if Bama made Saban and he's just along for the ride
Maybe if Saban comes back to say UGA instead of Bama he loses a game or two extra here or there and they only have 3 NCs instead of 4. I can go along with something like that.
This post was edited on 1/23/16 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 1/23/16 at 5:04 pm to RollTide1987
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Good coaches (Stallings) win national titles at Alabama. Great coaches (Bryant/Saban) become legends of the sport. You don't find at LSU.
There is your difference. It's like Vince Dooley told Saban before taking the LSU job. "If LSU ever gets it figured out (meaning a BAMA level commitment from the state & program), EVERYONE in the SEC is playing for 2nd place."
Unfortunately, we're just now starting to see what real commitment looks like and takes.
Posted on 1/23/16 at 5:49 pm to CrimsonFever
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He was At Bama 3 years after he left LSU, he got that much better in 3 years? I doubt it.
Really? You doubt he got better after experiencing championship level performance at LSU and then failing in the pros?
Posted on 1/23/16 at 7:09 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Ok and Jerry Stovall took LSU to 2 "BCS" level bowl games.
He took you to the Orange Bowl once and you guys finished 8-3-1 that season. Hardly similar.
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Gerry Dinardo won 10 games.
Gerry DiNardo wasn't a bad coach. He had Vanderbilt playing competitively and was rebuilding LSU fairly well until something happened to him in 1998.
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Mike Archer finished in the top 10 and won the SEC.
He won a share of the SEC, finishing 8-4 and losing the Hall of Fame Bowl to finish #19 on the year. Auburn represented the SEC in the Sugar Bowl. In his first season when ya'll went 10-1-1 he was returning many starters from a team that had gone 9-3 under his successor the previous year. Once again...hardly comparable.
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Gary Moeller won the rose bowl and multiple big ten titles at Michigan
He finished 44-13-3 as a head coach at Michigan. His worst season was 8-4. He wasn't even fired. What are you trying to prove here?
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Ray Goff had a top 10 season at Georgia
Great. But did he win the SEC outright like DuBose did? I thought not. He also wasn't even as bad of a coach as DuBose. Not even close.
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Fred Akers had 3 top 5 finishes at Texas
It's Texas. A competent coach can have success there. They are similar to Alabama in this regard.
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Phil freakin Fulmer won an NC at Tennessee
You do realize he is going to be a College Football Hall of Fame coach, don't you? He went 94-20-1 as a coach from 1992-2001. He finished with a 151-52-1 record.
Posted on 1/23/16 at 7:23 pm to CrimsonFever
Whatever,you guys got on your knees as soon as he got off the plane
Posted on 1/23/16 at 7:26 pm to CrimsonFever
This is easy.
At bama,he has the refs.
At bama,he has the refs.
Posted on 1/23/16 at 7:56 pm to RollTide1987
It was a perfect storm. A coach like Saban and a historical program like Bama yield the results you see today.
Posted on 1/23/16 at 8:22 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Draconian Sanctions
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But man some people really take that and blow it out of proportion to make it almost as if Bama made Saban and he's just along for the ride
No one believes that except the trolls. You cannot believe, however, that LSU is anywhere near the same program as Alabama, from a historical perspective.
Posted on 1/23/16 at 10:44 pm to ErnestTBassmaster
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No one believes that except the trolls. You cannot believe, however, that LSU is anywhere near the same program as Alabama, from a historical perspective
OK, I tip my hat to you BAMA fans, and Saban is a great coach and BAMA is a great program but
We will play you again next year to compete on the athletic field and win the game.
This is what athletics is all about, competing and no LSU fan will say BAMA has a bad football program so from a historical perspective every thing is in the past and next year is what is all about.
GO TIGERS
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:21 am to LCTFAN
There is only one BEST. There can only be one #1. Only one. History has proven Alabama is the bedrock of excellence and tradition of college football. It is the birth rite of every Alabamian and anyone else who feels it's spirit in their hearts. It cannot be undone or lose it's luster no matter the outcome of any given game or season. For all who love it, they will always love it. They will lift it up when the need arises, and never let it's glory slip beyond a generation. Alabama is unbreakable. That confidence is as enduring and certain as death. It springs immortal from the DNA of those smitten by it's glory in a new generation every year. It will perpetuate itself forever because the powers of the Universe saw it arise and change the world. And it became one of them. Alabama is the real Camelot. Dreams come true at Alabama because it is righteous and good and wills it so. Foes are everywhere and it must be so. Fight it if you don't love it. Alabama expects nothing less but remember, even in defeat, Alabama will inevitably prevail.
This post was edited on 1/24/16 at 12:27 am
Posted on 1/24/16 at 2:09 am to 12thFairway
Posted on 1/24/16 at 4:54 am to LSU4ea
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There is your difference. It's like Vince Dooley told Saban before taking the LSU job. "If LSU ever gets it figured out (meaning a BAMA level commitment from the state & program), EVERYONE in the SEC is playing for 2nd place."
Did he really say that?
Beacause I've heard that exact quote being referenced for 30 years, to Bryant and the University of Florida. Which I think is more likely.
Posted on 1/24/16 at 7:38 am to CrimsonFever
Do you realize he inherited a 3-8 team in 1999 that couldn't beat FCS teams? He then wins an SEC title two years late and NC 5 years after a 3-8 season, so he did a better coaching job at LSU in 5 years then anyone could ever do.
Posted on 1/24/16 at 8:06 am to CrimsonFever
He couldn't pay for they here. BOOM!!
Posted on 1/24/16 at 9:05 am to CrimsonFever
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was Alabama we were just coming off probation and had sucked since the early 90's.
Wrong. Gene Stallings was coach through the 1996 season. Bama didn't crash and burn until immediately after his departure.
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