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re: OU President David Boren puts Texas/Big12 on notice.

Posted on 1/22/16 at 8:43 am to
Posted by oman
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 8:43 am to
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I said this from day one. I don't know where Texas got off thinking they were a brand unto themselves. They are popular in Texas but just another team in Texas. Notre Dame couldn't even pull this off. Maaaaaybe the yankees could but Texas is no more of a national brand than 5 or 6 other historical names in college football. They are popular to Texas fans. Nobody else cares about Texas anymore than they about USC or Bama.


So you're saying Bama and USC would turn down the deal if they were offered it?

I think that's bullshite. I don't mind the hindsight criticism -- that's human nature -- but the idea that other schools wouldn't have taken the same deal if offered is laughable.
Posted by cyde
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 9:14 am to
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It is widely understood, to this point, that Oklahoma and Oklahoma State would be a package deal.

Are Oklahoma and Oklahoma State really a package deal?
Posted by Old Sarge
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 9:16 am to
They did turn down the opportunity for a similar deal, to participate in Conference networks

Why? Because they are smarter than tu.
Posted by PikeBishop
Bristol, TN
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 9:27 am to
Serious question: Would any of y'all pay extra each month to watch The USC Trojan cable channel? I have nothing against USC. But I wouldn't have any interest in watching Haden and Helton discuss them 24/7. Who outside of California would?

I don't even get the Pac12 and Big10 networks right now from my local provider. I would rarely watch them if I did.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 9:42 am to
There's simply not enough content for a single school specific network.

Notre Dame's deal with NBC is only for home games not picked up by ESPN/ABC. Also, it's not NBC's sole focus. Notre Dame makes up 5-6 programming slots for the peacock out of one year, not all Irish all the time.
Posted by Bubbles Up
Member since Jul 2011
2910 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 9:49 am to
Exactly! But what ND does do is it makes an ACC network that much more valuable for all the sports not called football.

tu would bring the same value to a conference. However, that is impossible as long as the LHN exists. And ESPN sure as Hell isnt going to trash the LHN simply to pay an increase to the SECN with no way to make it up with higher carriage fees.
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
38887 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 9:51 am to
Good article. Shows how woefully misinformed most posters are....there is nothing legally binding OU and OSU together. Culturally and politically it may be a different story but it could easily happen if OU decided it wanted out of the B12 without OSU.

Posted by Demamp Camp
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Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 9:53 am to
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Bama and USC would turn down the deal if they were offered it?


I don't think there is any way that an all-Alabama station all the time national network would be a success. Some sort of in-state only thing run by the University showing all highlights, old games, secondary sports, etc? Sure. Maybe even regionally. Nationally? LOL, no frickin way.

The only school that could MAYBE do that is Notre Dame.
This post was edited on 1/22/16 at 9:54 am
Posted by oman
Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 10:00 am to
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I don't think there is any way that an all-Alabama station all the time national network would be a success.


That doesn't answer my question. With media changing so rapidly, Texas made a perfectly acceptable decision to try this out, and Alabama would have as well.

Some media decisions work out well, and some don't. It's still too early to tell the long term impact of the LHN. I certainly don't think it is going to be significant for Texas. And maybe not even the Big12. No doubt it will be used as justification for decisions that schools make. That's the way business works.
Posted by Demamp Camp
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 10:02 am to
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That doesn't answer my question. With media changing so rapidly, Texas made a perfectly acceptable decision to try this out, and Alabama would have as well.


Sure, if there was no harm to the conference as a whole and we were guaranteed a large check regardless of performance and it didn't screw anything else up for our department then sure.

But if the network made us money but destroyed our league and long term hurt us and our programs then no, I don't think we'd do it. I don't know if LHN will do that to Texas or not.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 10:32 am to
The original purpose of the Longhorn Network was as a recruiting tool taking advantage of the fact that the UIL operates out of Belmont. Dan Brown even stated as much. When the NCAA stepped in, the viability of the network diminished. To say otherwise is arrogantly dishonest...in other words sip-like.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29278 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 10:34 am to
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That doesn't answer my question. With media changing so rapidly, Texas made a perfectly acceptable decision to try this out, and Alabama would have as well.

Some media decisions work out well, and some don't. It's still too early to tell the long term impact of the LHN. I certainly don't think it is going to be significant for Texas. And maybe not even the Big12. No doubt it will be used as justification for decisions that schools make. That's the way business works.


It's not too early to tell the immediate impacts. You have President from another University in your conference openly calling it toxic. It's setting the Big 12 Conference behind in revenue. Y'all are the dumbest smart kids I know.
Posted by Demamp Camp
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 10:35 am to
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You have President from another University in your conference openly calling it toxic. It's setting the Big 12 Conference behind in revenue.


Exactly. Long-term, if it breaks up the conference and hurts the brand and other revenue streams, then it is a net loss.

I don't know if it will or not, but it clearly has the potential to.
Posted by oman
Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
3280 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 10:39 am to
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It's not too early to tell the immediate impacts. You have President from another University in your conference openly calling it toxic. It's setting the Big 12 Conference behind in revenue. Y'all are the dumbest smart kids I know.


Well, at least A&M hasn't diluted its diplomas enough so that Aggies don't know the difference between long term and short term. Congrats.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29278 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 10:44 am to
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Well, at least A&M hasn't diluted its diplomas enough so that Aggies don't know the difference between long term and short term. Congrats.


Lolz.
Posted by oman
Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
3280 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 10:44 am to
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then it is a net loss.


To who? Certainly not to Texas. To the Big12? We don't know the long term, and we don't know what changes they will make? To college football? How do we know the lessons learned from this won't create new media deals that aren't better for college football as a whole?

Not sure why would anyone give a shite other than to see how it plays out.
Posted by Demamp Camp
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 10:45 am to
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To who? Certainly not to Texas. To the Big12? We don't know the long term, and we don't know what changes they will make? To college football? How do we know the lessons learned from this won't create new media deals that aren't better for college football as a whole?


We don't. Like I said, long-term, there are lots of potential pitfalls. Doesn't mean they shouldn't have done it. However, it clearly enraged their conference mates enough that 2 left and the other conference power is clearly still mad about it 3 years later.

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Not sure why would anyone give a shite other than to see how it plays out


I don't care about it at all, it just seems to be the current discussion at hand so I am discussing it.
Posted by oman
Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 10:50 am to
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I don't care about it at all, it just seems to be the current discussion at hand so I am discussing it.


Good point.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
56786 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 10:55 am to
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Suddenly teams like OU, Clemson and FSU would be economically viable.


Of those 3, Oklahoma would be the most viable

While Clay Travis is just now focusing on it, I made the point of content back in 2009 and 2010. The classic example is Notre Dame, who got both sides of the bread buttered.



Notre Dames football deal is for a few games and a few months. In this case the single school model works for them because it is limited to a single sport and a single quarter on the calendar. They sell those rights to NBC and NBC airs those games. Now suppose NBC had a deal like the LHN and had to fill a devoted channel with 24 hour year round live programming of Notre Dame sports. It would be a disaster of epic proportions.

Notre Dames conference deal is year round via ESPN. Now you can say the ACC has no ACCN but the reality is the ACCN has been there all along since the beginning of ESPN in the late 70's and early 80's. From that time forward ESPN has been "all in" with the ACC so an ACCN is a bit redundant. With the Irish now in the ESPN fold for all non football sports they get their "live content" mixed with the other ACC schools on a 24 year round cycle.



Now it would be my guess the Irish make more on the NBC deal than they make from conference membership in the ACC but being in the ACC allows non football national airtime for all the other Irish sports. However, the free exposure on ESPN on a daily and monthly basis is worth probably more than the money they give up in better exposure. Think of the SEC CBS contract not rising in value with TAMU and MU but being kept because of the non monetary exposure the SEC gets from CBS.

In case you have not followed college sports on ESPN outside of college football, Notre Dame is getting lots of love and exposure on both ESPN's family of networks AND their ESPN website. It seems like this has grown since realignment talk first started and has increased since Notre Dame parked their non football sports in the ACC.

While Oklahoma (the state) is much smaller than South Carolina (Clempson) or Florida (Free Shoes U) they do fit the SECN sports content better when viewed on a full year cycle for live programming. In addition it means new TV viewers instead of cannibalizing existing viewers in SC and FL. Even if the Taters or Crab Rapers never got SEC membership, they will still watch SECN because they want to watch the Cocks and Gators lose. Roughly 1/3 to 2/3 of Notre Dame football viewers are folks tuning in hoping the Irish lose.

Hogs would love a real border state rival that so far has not materialized with Missouri and Texas hate in Arkansas still seems stronger that the hate with TAMU. Oklahoma would fill this void for the Hogs and give the rest of us on tRant a breather. OU + MU = 2 Big 8 offset by UAF + TAMU = 2 SWC would balance the vortex of non charter SEC schools into the fold of SEC membership.

The best part of this would be no invite to conference wrecker Texas and little brother Oklahoma State. Red River Rivalry would now be SEC vs ??? and Bedlam would be SEC vs ?? as a western equivalent to the 4 ACC vs SEC games you have in the east. The SECN sports of football, volleyball, w gymnastics, m basketball, w basketball, baseball, and softball all fit Oklahoma's current college sports mix.
Posted by FishFearMe
United States
Member since Jul 2015
7196 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 10:56 am to
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Fish seems to think a&M is an unstoppable juggernaut


I never said that.

The SEC is in a very good place with huge revenue, and probably a team in the playoff annually.

I don't think Sankey is gonna want to change that unless there are two teams that are slam dunks to add.

I don't care how many stupid realignment articles are written, OU will never be in the SEC.


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