Lay your cards down here regarding Sumlin, Spav and Kyler

1. I'm indifferent on Kyler. If he were to start next year I think there would be significant growing pains and if he were to get pulled for Hubenak it could be a toxic situation. I think he has the potential to be a good QB, but I don't see it happening next year right away. Him leaving would put us in a really precarious spot at the position though and would set off a full blown meltdown and exodus. Maybe we need it to get worse before it gets better, I dunno

2. I just don't have a great feeling about where our program is headed with Sumlin. It really started at 59-0 last year and built up throughout the year, then was staved off by the Chavis miracle. Ole Miss and Auburn this year pretty much sent me over the edge. Would this be a terrible time to be looking for a coach? Absolutely. If our current class holds together and the mass exodus of transfers doesn't continue then I would be okay with him coaching next year for some stability. It's a make or break year though, and I think he would need to go 10-2 (MAYBE 9-3 if the losses are competitive and not like the losses this year) to keep his job.


3. Spav must go and anyone who disagrees is insane



I hope we can get serious answers in this and not full blown meltdown responses as I'm curious what people think

What will happen if (when) Spav is let go? What will happen if Murray officially transfers and Sumlin's seat gets even hotter?

I'm not saying it will fall apart, but there's always a chance when there's this many changes

1. I think I am in the same boat on Kyler. Its time to part ways with how his whole career has gone since his recruitment.

2. Based on my perspective, I am fine with Sumlin given 2016. The cost to fire him would be ridiculous. And unless we had a commitment from Herman, I don't think we'd be able to land a great replacement yet.

3. Spav should not be calling plays in 2016. I have read enough about how much he means to a lot of players on the team and how he is still considered a good coach by others. Keep him on as QB coach.

4. We still need to land a top flight OC. If its Meachem or someone else, it needs to happen in early Jan or sooner.

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4. We still need to land a top flight OC. If its Meachem or someone else, it needs to happen in early Jan or sooner.

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I'm hoping he is our New Year's Day present

This sucks to say but if Sumlin isn't moving on/getting fired we need to do the following:

- do what it takes to keep kyler

- find an elite OC to run a spread offense

- demote spav to QB coach and co-OC

- fire DC and possibly McKinney for folks who can develop players and recruit better

- wish we would move on from Hagan but it won't happen


It's pretty clear the players have no connection or loyalty to Sumlin. If we oust spav we are going to do some serious damage and will have several days like today before signing day. It's just not worth it. I don't care what the 20 year olds on this board say or the melting bitches like cgsc, spav can develop quarterbacks as good as our system requires and he may be the best QB recruiter in the country. It will satisfy Kyler if spav isn't in charge anymore hopefully.

If we don't do this things are going to start to unravel I'm afraid.

On the other side, if we can get a transfer who can play immediately, I have confidence that a transfer and Hub can battle it out and run a serviceable air raid offense that will win games. But I just haven't heard of any realities manifesting and it's the dead period for recruiting HS.

Bottom line we are in a serious predicament and we need to make an informed decision

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1. I'm ready for Kyler to move on, he's brought way too much drama, I hope he leaves for the overall good of the team

2. Sumlin deserves and should get a chance in 2016 to earn an extension, if he keeps Spav I have zero faith he will get the wins needed to be our coach in 2017

3. Spav still must go regardless of the few recruits that will be impacted, cut him loose and let things shake out for better or worse, it can't get much worse

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I agree.

It is total BS that Kyler can't be great next year. JFF, our goat, would have never stepped on the field again at A&M if he had been forced to play his true freshman year. He was ten times worse than Kyler....it was bad folks. He fumbled all the time, threw a piss poor pass, might as well have been a little scat back out there running our offense.

Kyler shouldn't have played this year but he did show potential. Another year and going through spring and he may be serviceable.

People say he's soft on the run but he has never been the full-contact guy JFF was. Ever. He gets his 10 yards and goes down because he's not an idiot like JFF was. He knows his body can't take the big hits.

And as far as his passing, his passes down field have no zip and I have no idea why. It is possibly because he isn't confident in what he is doing. Either way, he threw a tight and fast pattern his last two years at Allen. He didn't forget how to do it he just needs some time to get comfortable. And he needs an oline to support him not force him into uncomfortable situations every down.

I don't think Kyler is as mentally tough as Manziel. Ability wise they probably aren't too different at this stage of their careers but Murray doesn't seem to have the toughness and competitive killer instinct that Manziel had/has. Manziel might have been (still is) immature off the field, but he could lead on it. Based on Murray's actions and body language on the sideline and during the Auburn game I don't see it.

And I don't see the "hate losing" thing with Murray. He seemed either disinterested or pouting on the sideline when he wasn't playing and was just negative as frick looking during the Auburn game. I think he has potential but he needs more time to sit and learn for him to blossom IMO.

If he does return he's basically going to have to be anointed the starter next year which concerns me. I don't know that he's the best option for us to win but if he isn't starting we know what will happen

It's like people forgot we had to get a handler for JFF. It took a lot of growing to get him to 2013.

Thank god he was restricted from the media in his heisman campaign.