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re: Private HS's recruiting and giving scholarships competing with public schools
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:12 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:12 am to SammyTiger
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Well public schools don't have to recruit. People are legally required to go there. As for scholarships, public schools are also free.
So let's not pretend some don't have big advantages too.
The only public schools that have any advantage are the ones with several thousand students because they're the only public school in the county where they play. Yes, public schools are also free, but think about this situation as a parent: your kid can receive a top flight education for free at a private school with much better and higher paid coaches (in TN at least) OR go to whatever public school you're required to go to for free with generally an inferior education. Private Schools that recruit have a HUGE advantage. The old Super 7 private schools in TN would destroy any public school team in the state most years. It's why they don't play in the same divisions anymore. shite, Ensworth in Nashville, a school that is less than 10 years old, is a factory for inner city kids. They've talked about starting to board and recruit nationally and render themselves ineligible for TSSAA competition
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:14 am to NYCAuburn
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In Ohio you can also pay money to redistrict yourself into another school district. School districts also waive this fee for athletes, so not really a good example
Well then, to you and thaKaptin, maybe you shouldn't come off as pissed at the private schools as more pissed at the system that allows for the disparity to begin with. I'd imagine many of the Southern Public schools in urban areas are like many Northern public schools in urban areas. I was back in Cleveland, and the public schools are like war zones at times. The high school football games have to be played on Fridays during the day because of the level of violence that gang bangers used to bring with them to the parking lot at these games. Nobody with any decency wanted to be around that. It starts with the school districts themselves, and the parents of the kids going to the public schools. Many of those kids don't give a shite. It's not the same world it was when I was growing up twenty or 25 years ago. For public schools to turn things around, they first need to look in the mirror. Hire better teachers, get parents more involved with the school culture so they know what the learning experience is like. Don't blame people who choose to pull their kids out of a shitty environment.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:19 am to Taurus 357
Madison Academy is a private school and its quickly becoming a pipeline to Auburn. Kerryon, Malik Miller, and very possibly, a four star lineman all coming to Auburn in back to back to back years.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:22 am to NYCAuburn
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what are the public schools big advantages?
Kids are required to go there, and a lot of them have enormous student populations to get talent from.
As much as people like to pretend, most private schools can't afford to give 30 kids a scholarship every year.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:22 am to Taurus 357
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n, maybe you shouldn't come off as pissed at the private schools as more pissed at the system that allows for the disparity to begin with
Did you read the OP? He said they shouldnt compete in the same divisions. He is complaining about the system, not the schools
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. I was back in Cleveland, and the public schools are like war zones at times. The high school football games have to be played on Fridays during the day because of the level of violence that gang bangers used to bring with them to the parking lot at these games. Nobody with any decency wanted to be around that. It starts with the school districts themselves, and the parents of the kids going to the public schools. Many of those kids don't give a shite. It's not the same world it was when I was growing up twenty or 25 years ago. For public schools to turn things around, they first need to look in the mirror. Hire better teachers, get parents more involved with the school culture so they know what the learning experience is like. Don't blame people who choose to pull their kids out of a shitty environment.
Did you also notice in Ohio, that because of the local taxes and local funding of city school districts, many of the public schools in the state are of similar caliber to private schools? And again, you might want to re read op. no one is bashing the parents here
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:26 am to SammyTiger
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what are the public schools big advantages?
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Kids are required to go there
that is not an advantage in comparison to recruitment quote:and private schools have an even larger population to pull talent from
a lot of them have enormous student populations to get talent from.
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As much as people like to pretend, most private schools can't afford to give 30 kids a scholarship every year
I can guarantee you that if they had 30 players that were top talent, that they could attract, they would have schollies. if the school places importance on athletics
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:26 am to ThaKaptin
I can only speak to how it works in TN, but there are separate division for private schools. Also, some public schools 'recruit' as well.
Students get waivers to play at different public schools, their families move, or they move in with their relatives in a different school district.
Olive Branch in north Mississippi is an example of this, they recruit kids who otherwise wouldn't have played there. Daren Bates (AU), Marlon Walls (UT), and Cannon Smith (Miami) are all kids who transferred to Olive Branch to play football
Students get waivers to play at different public schools, their families move, or they move in with their relatives in a different school district.
Olive Branch in north Mississippi is an example of this, they recruit kids who otherwise wouldn't have played there. Daren Bates (AU), Marlon Walls (UT), and Cannon Smith (Miami) are all kids who transferred to Olive Branch to play football
This post was edited on 12/4/15 at 11:29 am
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:29 am to SammyTiger
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As much as people like to pretend, most private schools can't afford to give 30 kids a scholarship every year.
you don't need 30 kids on scholarship to have a huge advantage at the high school level. cherry picking 5-10 elite players in the area and supplementing that with higher paid and superior coaching as well as superior facilities presents a big advantage.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:29 am to Taurus 357
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ell then, to you and thaKaptin, maybe you shouldn't come off as pissed at the private schools as more pissed at the system that allows for the disparity to begin with.
I dont think I ever said anything about being pissed at the school or the kids. If he hadnt been on the opposing team, their running back would have been quite enjoyable to watch play.
The only thing I attacked was the system putting these teams together.
Reading comprehension for the win.
I think maybe you should join Jacknola at the kids table so the adults can have our discussion without having to constantly spit clean your faces.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:30 am to StopRobot
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Public schools are also legally required to TAKE students and they take bad ones
yeah but they aren't legally required to play them on their football teams.
Fact of the matter they pick the cream of the corp of the kids forced to go there.
If you don't live in a tiny school district you normally have a ton to choose from.
No recruiting necessary, no effort. Just pick the best kids forced to attend your school by law .
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:30 am to ThaKaptin
I hate to tell you but it's only going to get worse. I work with both private and public schools, and private schools are getting more aggressive in scouting/recruiting athletes in all sports, particularly the "small" sports like softball and volleyball. The way AHSAA currently classifies private schools is that each student counts as 1.5 students, hence the higher classification for the private schools. There are rumblings that there will be an attempt to raise this to 2.0 in the near future as the private schools become more dominate in athletics but I don't think it will pass.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:30 am to ThaKaptin
Who cares. Find a way to win.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:31 am to NYCAuburn
In Texas Private and Public schools play in different leagues, except for two school - Dallas Jesuit and Houston Strake Jesuit. They both play in public leagues but are required to play in the top division (6A). The cutoff for 6a is 2100 students. Strake Jesuit has approx. 1000 students (all boys) and plays in a district as follows:
Katy 3219.5
Katy Mayde Creek 3115
Katy Taylor 2979.5
Katy Cinco Ranch 3256.5
Katy Morton Ranch 3441
Katy Seven Lakes 3765
Katy Tompkins HS 1672
Strake made it to the playoffs for the first time in a long time this year.
Katy 3219.5
Katy Mayde Creek 3115
Katy Taylor 2979.5
Katy Cinco Ranch 3256.5
Katy Morton Ranch 3441
Katy Seven Lakes 3765
Katy Tompkins HS 1672
Strake made it to the playoffs for the first time in a long time this year.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:31 am to SammyTiger
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As much as people like to pretend, most private schools can't afford to give 30 kids a scholarship every year.
Most, sure, but the athletic factory type private schools have money poured into them by boosters just like colleges do. They dont all have to work this way to create an unbalanced competitive atmosphere, just 1 or 2 per division.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:31 am to NYCAuburn
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I can guarantee you that if they had 30 players that were top talent, that they could attract, they would have schollies. if the school places importance on athletics
I guarantee you will never run a school
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:32 am to Brosef Stalin17
quote:Same here.
JackNola is my favorite poster on this board....
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:33 am to Jacknola
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. It is sad that to get your kid educated today, you have to pay for everyone else with taxes, then pay out of pocket as well.
No, what's sad is that in the South our middle class abandoned a perfectly good public school system that had worked well for 100 years, just because they were scared of black people.
I grew up in the Orleans Parish public school system in the 70s, I actually watched it happen.
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allow open enrollment... see what happens instead of bitching.
How ironic of you, Jackleg.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:33 am to SammyTiger
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No recruiting necessary, no effort. Just pick the best kids forced to attend your school by law .
You mean of the ones that didnt get recruited by the private school with higher paid coaches, more expensive facilities, and better educations?
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:34 am to SammyTiger
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I guarantee you will never run a school
you think the school pays for all these scholarships?
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:34 am to NYCAuburn
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Did you read the OP? He said they shouldnt compete in the same divisions.
Well, I would counter that with why not? I've always been told that if you play against top level talent that it makes you better. It's the reason that MAC schools and Conference USA schools agree to play Auburn and Bama and LSU and Ohio State and Michigan/State every year.
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many of the public schools in the state are of similar caliber to private schools
Only out in the suburban areas. Urban and rural districts are too poor to compete with private schools in those settings. Like another poster on here stated, those tend to have larger student populations so competition wise, they aren't at a disadvantage. Many private schools actually give back to the communities that they are based out of too. From what I've seen, the students get involved with the local communities and give their time and the parents give to the charities of the local neighborhoods to do something good for the people. Can they do more? Probably, but it's a start for some of these schools.
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