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Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:21 am
Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:21 am
Would you want to accept them into MS, or the USA for that matter?
Quite the debate. I'd love to hear the boards opinions.
Quite the debate. I'd love to hear the boards opinions.
This post was edited on 11/16/15 at 11:22 am
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:22 am to SouthMSReb
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Please don't blame this on Issac Gross.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:30 am to SouthMSReb
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Would you want to accept them into MS, or the USA for that matter?
Anyone with 1/2 a brain knows the answer to this. Anyone who says let them come over here needs to be examined because they may be functioning with less than 1/2 a brain.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:33 am to WithaRebelYell
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:35 am to SouthMSReb
No. Hell no. Furthermore, no other refugees or significant border travel of anykind until some heavy duty changes are made.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 12:04 pm to SouthMSReb
Not just no but HELL no. It's not our job to help those people
Posted on 11/16/15 at 12:09 pm to SouthMSReb
As an EU citizen I'm devastated that they continue these naive "humanitarian" and political policies that will eventually destroy Europe from within.
I am not anti-immigration, an islamophobe, or anti-humanitarian. But I am a realist, and people must wake up and see that not screening and careful reviewing of who you invite to live in your nation is a mistake, especially in today's easily traveled world.
I have no issue accepting Syrian refugees to Europe and the United States so long as they are carefully vetted, as if they were to work in the White House, and prove that they legitimately appreciate and respect the United States of America or the European nations they are going to move to. If not, then why come.
The greatest issue here is allowing people who do not appreciate the same basic ideals into the nation. If these sorts of people are accepted into the U.S.A. you will have the same issue that is happening in Europe today, first or second generation Europeans who resent European culture, people, ideals of liberty; who then become easily radicalized.
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Immigration isn't the issue, it is the vetting process.
I am not anti-immigration, an islamophobe, or anti-humanitarian. But I am a realist, and people must wake up and see that not screening and careful reviewing of who you invite to live in your nation is a mistake, especially in today's easily traveled world.
I have no issue accepting Syrian refugees to Europe and the United States so long as they are carefully vetted, as if they were to work in the White House, and prove that they legitimately appreciate and respect the United States of America or the European nations they are going to move to. If not, then why come.
The greatest issue here is allowing people who do not appreciate the same basic ideals into the nation. If these sorts of people are accepted into the U.S.A. you will have the same issue that is happening in Europe today, first or second generation Europeans who resent European culture, people, ideals of liberty; who then become easily radicalized.
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TL;DR:
Immigration isn't the issue, it is the vetting process.
This post was edited on 11/16/15 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 11/16/15 at 1:43 pm to SouthMSReb
Simple answer for me is yes. Yes allow anyone who wants to into the USA.
This was/is a nation designed upon the idea to allow any and all who want to come be apart of a great free sovereign nation to be allowed to do so. If you or your family feel threatened by this, then compensate by using your right for the 2nd amendment.
I will say my opinion may be biased because I grew up in the most diverse county in the United States. It also had an extremely low crime rate, but I believe it is not my right as an American to forbid a fellow human his/her right to a better life/opportunity in the USA. Period.
This was/is a nation designed upon the idea to allow any and all who want to come be apart of a great free sovereign nation to be allowed to do so. If you or your family feel threatened by this, then compensate by using your right for the 2nd amendment.
I will say my opinion may be biased because I grew up in the most diverse county in the United States. It also had an extremely low crime rate, but I believe it is not my right as an American to forbid a fellow human his/her right to a better life/opportunity in the USA. Period.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 2:34 pm to HYDRebs
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Yes allow anyone who wants to into the USA.
This does not mean you will get this
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This was/is a nation designed upon the idea to allow any and all who want to come be apart of a great free sovereign nation
Many of the immigrants who went to Europe did not want to be a part of the free, sovereign European nation they went to, rather, they just wanted the benefits of its welfare system and safety, but did not want to be a part of the country itself and prefered to establish themselves in neighborhoods inhabited by similar cultures where they could live with the things they loved from their homeland while receiving the benefits of the new nation, all while not caring for it or appreciating it.
If you let anyone into the U.S.A. you will get people who want to come in just to harm it.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 2:36 pm to HYDRebs
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This was/is a nation designed upon the idea to allow any and all who want to come be apart of a great free sovereign nation to be allowed to do so.
It was? Where is this open door policy written into the Constitution?
For what you're saying, we might as well say this:
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This was/is a nation designed upon the idea that people should be kept in bondage and enslaved in homes and fields.
And, ergo, slavery should still be a thing in the US.
This country has matured. We now have enough people that we don't need to import anymore (and need to send some back from whence they came). Let the countries in that region handle the refugee mess their religion has made, especially for the fact that their exports like to sow hate and kill innocents.
This post was edited on 11/16/15 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:14 pm to DownSouthJukin
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We now have enough people that we don't need to import anymore (and need to send some back from whence they came).
Ha wow. Someone's an intolerant bigot.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:17 pm to DownSouthJukin
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This country has matured. We now have enough people that we don't need to import anymore
I disagree with this. The U.S.A. should always keep an open eye to poach and bring the smartest minds from all over the world. The brain drain of other nations is our benefit.
For example, touching on recent events in Paris; there are many Europeans who fear for their future in Europe, many who are brilliant scientists, business people, doctors, etc. We would benefit from the immigration of highly functional Europeans who would bring their professional expertise to our nation, especially if they appreciate the United States (which many now do, seeing how Europe is a quagmire.)
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:36 pm to HYDRebs
HYDRebs, you had managed to present your position tastefully and ignite further discussion, but then you had to go here. Unfortunate, because at this point you lose your credibility and the respect of others.
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We now have enough people that we don't need to import anymore (and need to send some back from whence they came).
Ha wow. Someone's an intolerant bigot.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:41 pm to HYDRebs
No-I'm for the rule of law. I don't care what nationality, creed, culture or color an immigrant is. If you're here outside the rule of law, then you should go back from where you came. If your creed or culture condones the killing of innocents, and you don't renounce it, you shouldn't be here as well.
This post was edited on 11/16/15 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 11/16/15 at 4:55 pm to Insideradvantage
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Yeah I definitely took the easy retort. Became really swamped at work today, and I didn't really have time to write anything but a sarcastic response.
Can we just BTHO LSU this weekend with Syrians/or no Syrians?
Also rebelcommadore or however your user name is spelt. I liked what you had to say and you had valid points. Your view is how I use to look at immigration policy.
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 5:04 pm to SouthMSReb
I just think it's very telling that no one else will take them in other than western culture.
The fact they refuse to assimilate into European countries and demand we conform to their ideologies and outrageous beliefs.
I have friends from all walks of life and even a few muslim friends. they're too busy boo-hooing over how prejudiced Americans are instead of declaring war on their radical segment.
It's an issue where of all people I love Bill Maher's take on it all. He's the executive producer of the Vice documentaries on HBO, which I recommend everyone go take a look at. A great objective take on investigative journalism, something we don't see anymore.
The fact they refuse to assimilate into European countries and demand we conform to their ideologies and outrageous beliefs.
I have friends from all walks of life and even a few muslim friends. they're too busy boo-hooing over how prejudiced Americans are instead of declaring war on their radical segment.
It's an issue where of all people I love Bill Maher's take on it all. He's the executive producer of the Vice documentaries on HBO, which I recommend everyone go take a look at. A great objective take on investigative journalism, something we don't see anymore.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 5:49 pm to tigerbait2010
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The fact they refuse to assimilate into European countries and demand we conform to their ideologies and outrageous beliefs.
When I lived in the UK, there was an Imam in Yorkshire who would use the free speech provided by the English government to constantly hold rallies saying stuff along the lines of "Kill all the Britons and take the Island" or something incredible like that.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 6:07 pm to rebelcommodore
For me it's an unfortunate circumstance of reaping what we sow by intervening in the Middle East the last 50+ years. We've created this mess, and as non-interventionist as I am, it's something we probably have to get involved with now...under the event we don't foot the bill and use strictly our men and women.
Also, I think it's important to recognize that France has 10,000 troops involved in the Syrian crisis and ME. I know I sound like a Ron Paul fan boy, but it really does go back to non-interventionism.
It would be awesome if Israel would stop being the shittiest allies we've ever had and be more assertive. They're sold our secrets for years, used AIPAC to lobby our wallets empty, etc. It's time they step up to the plate.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 6:55 pm to tigerbait2010
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For me it's an unfortunate circumstance of reaping what we sow by intervening in the Middle East the last 50+ years
No it isn't, at least in regards to Europe it isn't. Islamic extremists have wanted to establish a caliphate in Europe for a very long time. After terrorist attacks in Europe it was repeatedly heard that extremists mentioned "Revenge for Poitiers" Battle of Tours/Poitiers a battle where the Franks repelled an Islamic invasion of Gaul, in 732 AD. Had Charles Martel not defeated the Islamic forces, it is presumed they would have steamrolled the rest of the smaller principalities and conquered the rest of Europe. So... after 1300 years, they still hold a grudge for that battle.
As for France being in Syria and the Middle East having something to do with the attacks: Yes, the attacks are ISIS related and "Revenge" for action in Syria; the homegrown Islamic extremism that carried it out has been brewing before France's involvement in Syria.
As for the U.S.A. yes, our actions in the middle east have ignited further resentment in the ME, but it would be naive to say these problems wouldn't eventually reach us.
As for non-interventionism. I consider myself a modern libertarian for the most part, I say modern because the non-interventionist aspect of libertarianism is non-functional in today's highly globalized world. Non-interventionism was an option when it would take months to travel across the oceans. Now our problems reach us sooner. The U.S. will always be hated, it is the price we pay for our success, however, I would much rather we be intervening establishing our interests around the world than have either A) an unchecked growing power like Iran calling the shots or B) Another looming superpower like Russia or China establishing their interests at our costs, because let's be real despite the fact that most people like to point out our corporate interests and our bloodthirst, we remain true to most our ideals and those are a better influence than Russia or China's influence.
Sorry for the rant.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 10:31 pm to SouthMSReb
HELL NO
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