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re: Henry now Vegas favorite for Heisman
Posted on 11/9/15 at 3:58 pm to RB10
Posted on 11/9/15 at 3:58 pm to RB10
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Just playing on December 5th isn't enough though. Henry would need to show out. A mediocre performance could lose him the trophy.
I was not talking just about Henry but any of the hopefuls that are playing on the 5th. Coleman even though not the CCG is still playing a game that day and Watson and the others could be as well.
This is not about LF falling behind Henry but it opening the door for a handful that could now get the award.
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 3:59 pm to genro
Would be ridiculous if he won it
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:04 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Henry is literally the favorite in Las Vegas as of today. I'm not saying that means anything, but the betting lines in Vegas have Henry as the Heisman favorite as of 11-9-15. I think that is what he is referencing.
He's the favorite because he had a big game on the same weekend that Fournette had a really poor one.
As I said before, it didn't matter that the game was as big as it was, any week that happened Henry was going to be put in front because his numbers are very similar.
He's given zero proof that the voters will not give the most deserving player the trophy because of one bad game just because it was "big".
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:05 pm to RB10
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He's the favorite because he had a big game on the same weekend that Fournette had a really poor one. As I said before, it didn't matter that the game was as big as it was, any week that happened Henry was going to be put in front because his numbers are very similar. He's given zero proof that the voters will not give the most deserving player the trophy because of one bad game just because it was "big".
I'm not arguing with you, but you asked what his sources were, and those are them.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:05 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I'm not arguing with you, but you asked what his sources were, and those are them.
It's a pretty poor source, then.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:05 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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et Leonard run for 100+ the last three games and them try to give it to Henry.
Imagine how that looks:
Henry and LF both at the Heisman ceremony:
*they show Henry's stats*
1650 yards, 22 TDs on 300 carries in 13 games
*then Leonards*
1850 yards, 22 TDs on 260 carries in 11 games
Same position, same conference, same division...
Yeah it would make total sense.
you're projecting possible stats and assuming that Fournette will be better in final 3 games (against Arky, Ole Miss, and Tamu) that Henry will be in final three games (against MSU, Ch So, and AU). Look at their current comparison.
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in conference games: Henry's at 160 ypg (6 games), Fournette's at 151 ypg (5 games)
vs winning record teams: Henry's at 158 ypg (7 games), Fournette's at 150 ypg (5 games)
vs ranked teams: Henry's at 179 ypg (2 games), Fournette's at 123 ypg (3 games)
vs non-winning record teams: Henry's at 74 ypg (2 games), Fournette's at 212 ypg (3 games)
Looks like someone feasted on bad teams.
Remember, Heisman voters will do a deeper dive than just total yards and total TDs. They take their vote seriously. I fully expect LF to win it, but to completely dismiss the guy who just gashed your D and has had a very good year whenever he's played good competition is just silly.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:06 pm to RB10
professional oddsmakers are a bad source? lmao
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:07 pm to genro
Vegas is going to eat on everyone jumping on Henry this week
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:08 pm to bamasgot13
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Remember, Heisman voters will do a deeper dive than just total yards and total TDs. They take their vote seriously. I fully expect LF to win it, but to completely dismiss the guy who just gashed your D and has had a very good year whenever he's played good competition is just silly.
This, all of it.
The voters don't have kneejerk reactions. They go by the entire body of work done by each player.
Right now, Henry is the leader, and should be. Fournette can play his way right back into the driver's seat with 3 great performances, though.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:09 pm to aspiclark
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professional oddsmakers are a bad source? lmao
For your "voters only care about the biggest stage" argument? Yes, it's pretty terrible, actually.
Do you have some sort of learning disability?
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:14 pm to RB10
you can insult my intelligence all you want - I think it's hilarious btw - but the fact is no matter how much you ppl say Henry has "no chance" or that it would be "a joke," he is the current frontrunner because of fournette's "one bad game."
it's because this was a legacy defining game that he will never live down.
it's because this was a legacy defining game that he will never live down.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:14 pm to sjmabry
I just wonder if Bama didn't give everyone else the blue print to limit LF7. He will get his yards, but he may struggle a little more to get them now. If Henry gets hot down the stretch he could easily end up with more yards and scores than LF7, especially if he gets an extra game in the SECCG. If Henry has better stats, won the head to head match up and helped his team to the SECCG, how do you not give it to Henry over LF7?
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:22 pm to tider04
If Bama goes to the playoff, it will be because of Henry and Bama winning the SEC. If that happens and their stats are close to equal down the stretch, Henry will take home Mr. Stiffarm.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:31 pm to aspiclark
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you can insult my intelligence all you want - I think it's hilarious btw - but the fact is no matter how much you ppl say Henry has "no chance" or that it would be "a joke," he is the current frontrunner because of fournette's "one bad game."
Not only your intelligence, but your reading comprehension too.
I've never even insinuated that Henry had no chance. In fact, I've expressed the exact opposite sentiment.
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t's because this was a legacy defining game that he will never live down
Comments like this are why it's clear you have no clue what you're talking about.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:34 pm to JuiceTerry
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Bama goes to the playoff, it will be because of Henry and Bama winning the SEC. If that happens and their stats are close to equal down the stretch, Henry will take home
Agree.
At this point, Fournette has to clearly be the better player for the rest of the regular season.
200+ more yards and 2-3 more TDs than Henry, even with the possible extra game for him, are necessary.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:36 pm to BayouBengals03
The Hypesman trophy is a farce.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:47 pm to aspiclark
Saban is going to feed Henry like never before...
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:50 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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Imagine how that looks:
If it comes down to just those two in the discussion lets be real here. Overall stats will not be the deciding factor. Especially when one of those padded the stats against 2 OOC cupcakes getting 20 more carries doing it.
They will look at 6 common opponents including UF if UA plays them in the SECCG. How did they do against the same teams. They will also look at Head to Head as well as who helped get their team the farthest in the season.
VS. common opponents that currently will go to LF without a doubt. Head to Head Henry. The edge then I believe will go to Henry if we win the SECCG due to his season to carry the load.
Amazing that for the common opponents we have yet to play the same teams. So the last few games may have value for the voters more then we realize.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:52 pm to JCinBAMA
can't look a grown man in the eyes 
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:56 pm to bamasgot13
Ingram won the award on 1542 yards and 18 TDs. Gerhart had 1736 yards and 26 TDs. Stats did not matter to the voters but wins and how far they helped their team in the end for a chance to win a NC.
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