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Screw Trump and His Wall.

Posted on 9/22/15 at 11:14 pm
Posted by Dalfy15
Starkville, MS
Member since Aug 2014
169 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 11:14 pm
It's Mexico! Not Nazi Germany!
Posted by PowerTool
The dark side of the road
Member since Dec 2009
23147 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 11:24 pm to
yeah, it's amazing they didn't tear down the Berlin Wall as soon as WWII ended.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29311 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 11:38 pm to
It's a giant waste of money. It doesn't matter. There are millions of Mexicans here already.
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
16229 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 11:44 pm to
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It's a giant waste of money.


Not if you got your hand in the pocket of the construction company who gets the huge government projects. Or if you own the shovel, ladder, and pick axe store on the other side.

We could always just fine and jail people who hire illegals taking away all their jobs which would greatly decrease their desire to come here. But i guess that is way too practical and doesnt steal enough tax payer money.
Posted by Rebelgator
Pripyat Bridge
Member since Mar 2010
40186 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 11:46 pm to
#PizzaRat2016
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29311 posts
Posted on 9/23/15 at 12:09 am to
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We could always just fine and jail people who hire illegals taking away all their jobs which would greatly decrease their desire to come here. But i guess that is way too practical and doesnt steal enough tax payer money.


Or we could just give them amnesty, and start make them pay whatever taxes they aren't already. This would dramatically increase the price of labor, and make it less economical for people to come over. The maid/day laborers would start costing way more.

Bigger thieves than illegal Mexicans are the Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, Thai, and whatever Asian group you can think of. Asian immigration already surpassed Mexican immigration 5 years ago. They bring over their families, run cash only businesses, avoid huge tax bills, educate their children denying the lazy americans of the education they paid for. Indian, middle eastern, eastern European, it's all the same.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/23/15 at 12:17 am to
As an illegal immigrant, they make it very hard to actually pay taxes here.

I literally launder money to pay taxes.
Posted by POCKET
Member since Nov 2011
2650 posts
Posted on 9/23/15 at 12:22 am to
Giving up cheap maid service and lawn care is something I'd be willing to give up. The costs would be minuscule in comparison to the free support illegals get
Posted by Mullet Flap
Lysdexia
Member since Jun 2015
4208 posts
Posted on 9/23/15 at 1:04 am to
Trump is a buffoon. The fact that he is even in this race is a disgrace to the nation.
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
31834 posts
Posted on 9/23/15 at 9:13 am to
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Trump is a buffoon. The fact that he is even in this race is a disgrace to the nation.


You misspelled Bernie Sanders
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
44228 posts
Posted on 9/23/15 at 9:17 am to
Walls do two things: keep people and keep people in. I'd just assume the Feds not be able to keep me here against my will.
Posted by AUCatfish
How are yah now?
Member since Oct 2007
13995 posts
Posted on 9/23/15 at 9:49 am to
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We could always just fine and jail people who hire illegals taking away all their jobs which would greatly decrease their desire to come here. But i guess that is way too practical and doesnt steal enough tax payer money


Which is what we should have been doing all along, but the government basically winked and nodded as businesses that rely on manual labor continued to do it.
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24080 posts
Posted on 9/23/15 at 9:52 am to
I don't recall Jews trying desperately to get INTO germany....
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29311 posts
Posted on 9/23/15 at 10:59 am to
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Giving up cheap maid service and lawn care is something I'd be willing to give up. The costs would be minuscule in comparison to the free support illegals get


Except not really. There are 16 million laborers making wages that are only livable beneath the tax threshold. Above that are shady small business owners from the rest of the immigrants from Asia. They occupy another labor force. All of this leads to an economy that is occupied by the rest of us. Get out of the US and travel. We don't want $18 minimum wage where no one actually works. Our system works better than anyone realizes.
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 9/23/15 at 11:30 am to
Canada issues 6-month work permits. Laborers from Mexico fly in, work, collect their wages and then fly back to Mexico and apply for another 6-month permit. Their families stay in Mexico and everybody is happy. Why wouldn't that work for us?
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
52504 posts
Posted on 9/23/15 at 12:04 pm to
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Why wouldn't that work for us?


Do you even politicians brah?
Posted by Agforlife
Somewhere in the Brazos Valley
Member since Nov 2012
20102 posts
Posted on 9/23/15 at 12:06 pm to
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We could always just fine and jail people who hire illegals taking away all their jobs which would greatly decrease their desire to come here. But i guess that is way too practical and doesnt steal enough tax payer money.




We already do this, look it up, it isn't cheap if you get caught knowingly using illegal immigrants on your workforce. They must supply you with proof of immigration status or citizenship. You want to cut down on the illegal workers who use false and forged documents go ahead but you will be costing the government in tax revenue because those individuals pay in income tax yet get no refunds because they can't.
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
16229 posts
Posted on 9/23/15 at 12:50 pm to
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We already do this, look it up, it isn't cheap if you get caught knowingly using illegal immigrants on your workforce.


I see illegals every day mowing lawns, cleaning houses, working for restaurants. Do you know there are certain laws for illegally hunting birds and wild game where the government can take your gun and even your truck. Now thats a fine that makes people think twice about doing something like that. If you really want to solve the problem thats what you have to do. Give a years grace period so companies have a chance to put together a game plan then start fining people so hard they cant stay in business after being caught more than once. Putting them in jail giving them a record. There is a tipping point where the risk is no longer worth the reward and thats what you have to hit.

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but you will be costing the government in tax revenue because those individuals pay in income tax yet get no refunds because they can't.


I dont have a personal opinion on rather they should be kicked out or not. I just know that stealing more tax payer money isnt a solution to fixing it. They are also stealing tax payer money by going into hospitals and using our healthcare system. Thats not necessary the immigrants blame but more the employers and governments system blame for allowing these immigrants situation to be exploited and not properly compensated. And then of course there is the issue that it increases welfare since it takes away jobs that would be filled by legals of low economic and educational status.
Posted by Agforlife
Somewhere in the Brazos Valley
Member since Nov 2012
20102 posts
Posted on 9/23/15 at 1:19 pm to
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I see illegals every day mowing lawns, cleaning houses, working for restaurants



So report the employers, we jump thru a lot of hoops to ensure that every non US born individual working for us is legally doing so, do we miss one or two, yeah sometimes mainly because the people forging the docs are really damn good and it's hard to disprove. We follow the laws that are in place and believe me there are stiff fines for having illegal workers on the payroll. The bigger problem in my opinion are the legal immigrants who receive aid to open businesses and don't report cash transactions they are robbing the US Government blind.
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
16229 posts
Posted on 9/23/15 at 1:23 pm to
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So report the employers, we jump thru a lot of hoops to ensure that every non US born individual working for us is legally doing so


¿Qué? ¿Qué? Sí, sí, soy un americano, sí.
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